Low-Protein Diets???

Same problem here...

Hi Barb,

I have been fighting liver problems with Trevor going on 4 years now. It all started with a trip to the vet saying "he just doesn't seem right". A chest xray revealed an enlarged liver, so a blood test was ordered.

His liver enzyme levels slowly increased for years. His vet kept scratching her head & didn't know what it was. It started with slightly elevated Alk phos & cholesterol. Which we just monitored for several years because they were never REALLY high, but they did tick up with every 3 month blood test. It is now to the point where he has high ALT, cholesterol, BUN & Alk Phos.

We ended up having a liver biopsy & ultrasound done last year. No definitive results. No shunt was found. Bile acid tests came back positive for malfunction. Cushing screen normal, Thyroid normal. Within the past 6 months his liver values began exponentially increasing. We are at the point of liver failure now. Trevor's symptoms include muscle wasting & vacillating appetite.

My regular vet is out of options.

After taking him to a specialist near Boston last week, that vet requested an ACTH test for Cushings. Apparently it is a more advanced test and can catch a-typical cases of Cushings. We hope to get the results this week. I really hope it is positive, just because we have no diagnosis. At least cushings can be managed & it would explain most of his symptoms & high liver values.

The only thing that has helped him & has probably kept him alive this long was taking him off commercial food. I ended up buying a book called."Hope for Healing Liver Disease in your Dog." By Cyndi Smasal. You can get it via Amazon.

While we were still at the beginning stages of high liver values, the book diet did get his values under control. I noticed that if kept him on a strict diet & took him off animal protein (using tofu as his protein source) his values dropped. Unfortunately he now is completely sick of tofu & i have been using fresh chicken or turkey to entice him to eat. :rolleyes2: Of course his values started to climb after that.

I did have a consultation with a veterinary nutritionist who at one point, tweaked his book based diet a bit. She said a 38 lb Sheltie who has liver problems should have 30-40 grams of protein a day.

Feeding many small meals throughout the day also helps the liver process food easier. Trevor gets fed 4 small meals a day, spaced out as much as possible. He gets various supplements, but super milk thistle & sam-e are the most important for liver health.

I believe if I put him back on commercial food now, his liver would completely fail. So I cook in bulk every three weeks or so & freeze individual meals. The basis of his diet is organic pasta (or sweet potato), steamed veggies (at least 3) & a protein source (i.e. tofu, chicken, turkey). Combine that with various vitamins & liver supplements. Fun! :no:

You will be in my thoughts!
 
Sadie needs lower protein and is doing great on Wellness

So sorry to hear about Bacca. Hopefully you'll get things figured out soon and find a treatment that works for him.

Sadie is doing amazing, since switching to Wellness Super5 Mix Lamb. I switched to it because I believed she needed to be on a food that was lower in fat and protein, due to attacks of what I believe to be low grade, chronic pancreatitis. This food most closely matched the fat and protein content of the vet food that helped her with her problem. It's not grain free but contains high quality, low allergen grains. She's not had any problems since switching to it and and her skin and coat are nicer than they've ever been.

There are lower protein foods but you may want to discuss with your vet how low the protein should be. I personally didn't choose lower because they get energy from protein. Sadie being a young dog shouldn't be on a super low protein diet, which may be the same for Bacca.

Ginny and Sadie are both on Wellness (Ginny the puppy food) and neither have had problems with diarrhea. Ginny stools got a bit soft initially but firmed up within a day or two.

I'd send you the link to the guaranteed analysis but the dog food analysis site seems to be down for maintenance again. I get that message alot. Is is just me?

Here it is from the Wellness Website:

http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/dog_...amb.html?page=dog_wellness_dry_super5mix_lamb
 
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I am so sorry to hear this, Barb. I don't have information or experience to offer, but do send support and hugs.
 
So sorry to hear about Bacca. Hopefully you'll get things figured out soon and find a treatment that works for him.

Sadie is doing amazing, since switching to Wellness Super5 Mix Lamb. I switched to it because I believed she needed to be on a food that was lower in fat and protein, due to attacks of what I believe to be low grade, chronic pancreatitis. This food most closely matched the fat and protein content of the vet food that helped her with her problem. It's not grain free but contains high quality, low allergen grains. She's not had any problems since switching to it and and her skin and coat are nicer than they've ever been.

There are lower protein foods but you may want to discuss with your vet how low the protein should be. I personally didn't choose lower because they get energy from protein. Sadie being a young dog shouldn't be on a super low protein diet, which may be the same for Bacca.

Ginny and Sadie are both on Wellness (Ginny the puppy food) and neither have had problems with diarrhea. Ginny stools got a bit soft initially but firmed up within a day or two.

I'd send you the link to the guaranteed analysis but the dog food analysis site seems to be down for maintenance again. I get that message alot. Is is just me?

Here it is from the Wellness Website:

http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/dog_...amb.html?page=dog_wellness_dry_super5mix_lamb

No,I don't think it is you,as I also sent the link to my son for him to check it out,that was 2 weeks ago.They tried the link several times one day,and got the same message~
 
No,I don't think it is you,as I also sent the link to my son for him to check it out,that was 2 weeks ago.They tried the link several times one day,and got the same message~

Thanks, good to know. I happens at some point pretty much every time I visit that site
 
Thanks everyone for your wonderful suggestions and experience. It's so good to know that I'm not alone here.

I am hoping that my vet will agree to changing his diet in an effort to control his ALT count, rather than having to put him through ultrasound and biopsy and more tests.

Ann - thanks for reinforcing the Milk Thistle. He's already on a supplement where the main ingredient is Milk Thistle.

I will look into some of the food options suggested as well. Tonights homework.

In all other respects this is now one healthy dog - apart from the facial paralysis, you would not imagine that this pup has issues. He's got tons of energy, his coat is good, and he's now back to scarfing his food! Yep, he almost keeps pace with Indy now.
 
Just saw your post about Bacca. Hopefully with the food change his liver function will return to normal levels.

Did you notice that Innova makes a Low Fat Adult that says it's around 18%? It's actually a little bit lower in protein than the Senior formula. Both formulas are basically fowl(turkey/chicken) which is usually an easier protein for a dog to digest. Looking at other Senior formulas also might be a way to get a lower protein food.
 
With Dog Food Analysis being under maintenance, I found this site tonight....I can't speak to whether its legit or not, but at least it speaks to some of the brands that you guys listed below.....and it also has a section on low-protein diets.....

http://www.dogfoodscoop.com/natural-balance-dog-food.html

Finding the scoop on protein levels, doing brand by brand is painful! I wish the Analysis forum was up and running.
 
As I have posted many times, my shelties are on Wellness and its a great food. Taste of the Wild Salmon is sprinkled over their Wellness for the Omegas. The protien is low on the Wellness and a bit higher on the TOTW, that is why they only receive so much.

Also remember anything with Peanut Butter in treats will be high in protein also, and add to the %. My two don't get anything with peanut butter in it.

I quess I am funny about high protein, and I treat my two more like humans eating then I do animals. As my pappy used to say, there is a thin line between dogs and humans when it comes to their health.

By all means don't blame yourself, that is easy to do. I have been there with my one setter, and he taught me so many lessons. We have this tendency to turn ourselves inside out for them, because we care.

Kelly I wish the very best for your boy. Your doing everything you can also.

Hopefully they find the problems. My best wishes and better health for the two boys.

(((((((((((((((POWER PRAYERS COMING AND GOOD THOUGHTS)))))))))))
 
Sable,

Thanks for our mention about not blaming myself. I'm feeling like a made a huge mistake going to the grain-free, high-protein diet, and did I allow myself to swept up in the hype. And cause damage to my pup as a result.

My breeder stuck to your basic Pro Plan and her pups have done fine, even winning points to their championships. And I decide that my pups are going do better, and look what happens! Yeh, I'm beating myself. Hard not to.

:confused2::cry:
 
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