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Byrdiebun said:
In my very rural area it's online courses or nothing, so I'm glad to have the option, but I do find the marketing tactics of some of them to be really offputting. I can imagine a set of circumstances in which I'd be willing to hand over $1000 for a year's worth of instruction with a top handler (a drop in the bucket, I'm sure, compared to what most of us blow on agility). But I do have a hard time getting past the icky timeshare sales rep vibe of some of them.

SheltieChe, I PM'd you!
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Wow a 1000.00 a drop in the bucket not for me it isn't.That would be entries for trials and maybe some seminars.I wouldn't give SG 1000.00 if you paid me.She offered a couple years ago an online course I think it was for a running DW and price was 5,000.You have to do what works for you and if online course is it then go for it.
 
I meant a drop in the bucket compared to what we spend on trial entries, travel expenses, agility equipment, etc. Obviously I'm not out throwing $1000 around on online courses or I wouldn't be here asking about this one before plunking down $50! :)
 
So one spends about $200 per trial, more or less. If one lets say does 15 trials a year and get Q at about half on them, how much less frustration would it cost to skip 5 trials, spend those $ wisely on training and get your Q to 75% at rest of the trials:smile2: As for Contacts course, 5K was for year long private personal training course with SG. For everyone else online it was around $800.
Anyway those things are individual choices. As I am a bit familiar with Handling course it is probably the best one to date that SG ever produced. As an educator SG believes that immersion programs work best, thus year long program with LOTS of things, from some foundation flatwork, body awareness, jump training and puppy stuff to human mechanics, simple and advance sequences, course analysis, advanced course runs and mental prep.
Here is interesting article from Silvia, which is echoing same things I have heard from SG. Time they spend actually training agility is very small.
http://www.lolabuland.com/2014/04/17/efficiency/
 
SheltieChe said:
So one spends about $200 per trial, more or less. If one lets say does 15 trials a year and get Q at about half on them, how much less frustration would it cost to skip 5 trials, spend those $ wisely on training and get your Q to 75% at rest of the ...
Anyway those things are individual choices.
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Obviously ymmv. Most trials are about $70 for the weekend here. Plus, some teams have QQ rates higher than 75%. I think one of the OMD folks had written that he has a Q rate over 90%, & that can be found in this area too using meat & potatoes.
 
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I don't have to waste my money for online courses when we have awesome trainers right here in New England.We have quite a few world team members very close to me like John Nys who owns Rush,Laura Dolan with Race ,Erin Scheafer to name some.Like I said before they teach all the old moves with the new names.:yes:For some people maybe that's the way to go.I just don't see how you need those moves in venues like CPE.This is JMO !!
 
I think it's really personal preference, but I'm not fan of online classes either. Maybe it's because I don't have my own equipment and big garden to train on, but I'd still rather train with some of WC and EO competitors from our country in person than spending big money on online class. I believe these classes are useful and you can improve following these courses, but I'm fan of "live" training. We have some great competitors, judges and trainers over here, so I feel like training with them is plenty. And if it's not enough every year we have some foreign trainers/competitors/judges coming here for seminars, so it's better for me to just go and train with them in person. E.g. this summer Jaakko and Janita are coming to our country. :smile2:
 
SheltieChe said:
So one spends about $200 per trial, more or less.
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Seriously!? That makes agility a very elite sport over there then, not something the average person can get involved in with their pet for fun.

Over here a 2-day trial wouldn't cost more than $70 if you competed in everything. We also have ribbon trials - just a couple of hours on a weekday evening which cost about $5-$10. Only people who would pay for an expensive course are well-off zealously competitive kelpie and BC owners.
 
Caro said:
Seriously!? That makes agility a very elite sport over there then, not something the average person can get involved in with their pet for fun.

Over here a 2-day trial wouldn't cost more than $70 if you competed in everything. We also have ribbon trials - just a couple of hours on a weekday evening which cost about $5-$10. Only people who would pay for an expensive course are well-off zealously competitive kelpie and BC owners.
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SheltieChe is right. In my area, a 3-day AKC trial, if you enter 3 runs a day will cost about $175 in entry fees for one dog. Food, gas, and hotel if you travel will jack up that price. 2 days with 3 runs each day, about $110-$120 and 2 days with two runs each day about $80-$90.
 
Boy, I guess that's why its big business over there. Here a run is usually $5-7, except in special trials when it may go as high as $10 (and then the numbers are lower). I think people would baulk at paying any higher. But maybe that's why it's also more equitable for small dogs over there, if I was paying those prices I'd expect a more level playing field. Must get prohibitive when you've got more than one dog.
 
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