Question on NOW! food and needing a fish oil supplement

ClantyreSheltie said:
And that answers my question. Selling a book.
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That's ridiculous! I download the e-version for like $9.99 so I don't think I'd be able to afford to feed my dog such an advanced diet on that kind of income ;) My animal's food cost over $200 a month, so pretty sure I better have a better job than just trying to get people to buy a book off Amazon.. Please! I have a successful career and it's ridiculous and ludicrous that anyone would think someone would make a living off peddling books to a forum.The only reason I mentioned the book is because it's written for people who feed kibble, but want to learn more about making it healthier. It's designed for the busier person who doesn't spend a lot of time on their dog's good; it's very simple and people need simple ;)

Considering NO ONE is willing to learn anything about animal food, it's of no use to continue trying to explain anything. I will keep your pup in my prayers because it's so sad to see a carnivore fed 26% protein... it's just wrong!

However, I would suggest that anyone who truly has an issue where they can't have too much fat or too much protein always e-mail the kibble makers and ask for more detailed information. 99% of people have no clue how to read the bag of dog food bags... well if you read the whole journal you do since they explain it. The book I recommended by the way is written by the pet food advisor guy who YOU ALL CONSTANTLY REFERENCE. He has explained everything I have on HERE. I learned from HIM. So how can you guys trust a source, but bash their ideas? LOL
 
HolisticFurMom said:
Considering NO ONE is willing to learn anything about animal food, it's of no use to continue trying to explain anything. I will keep your pup in my prayers because it's so sad to see a carnivore fed 26% protein... it's just wrong!
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I think you'll find the majority of people on this forum is open to learning about animal food, but there are just some who are going to predisposed to kibble; some open to frozen raw, and some open to a combo of raw and home cooked.

You can continue to try to convert us kibble feeders, but as danisgoat suggsted perhaps you start a new thread in the raw food section.

I would also like to point us that even us "kibble" feeders are mostly pretty much knowledeable and we also know what resources are available to us on the internet. Just to point out that we don't just blindly walk down the grocery aisle and pick out the food on sale or what has been advertised most recently. The majority of us spend a huge amount of time constantly looking for better food for our dogs, and yes, many of us have experiemented and continue to supplement with raw.

I will say though that your stats seems wonky. I might have missed it but perhaps you can back up your statements with research...but again.....as per danisgoat, do it on a new category.

Thx
 
BarbV said:
I think you'll find the majority of people on this forum is open to learning about animal food, but there are just some who are going to predisposed to kibble; some open to frozen raw, and some open to a combo of raw and home cooked.

You can continue to try to convert us kibble feeders, but as danisgoat suggsted perhaps you start a new thread in the raw food section.

I would also like to point us that even us "kibble" feeders are mostly pretty much knowledeable and we also know what resources are available to us on the internet. Just to point out that we don't just blindly walk down the grocery aisle and pick out the food on sale or what has been advertised most recently. The majority of us spend a huge amount of time constantly looking for better food for our dogs, and yes, many of us have experiemented and continue to supplement with raw.

I will say though that your stats seems wonky. I might have missed it but perhaps you can back up your statements with research...but again.....as per danisgoat, do it on a new category.

Thx
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I'm confused as to what stats as wonky? If you don't believe the numbers I listed about your dog food use the whole dog journal link I posted in the first post discussing this. I did that so you could check your own numbers. It's not too complicated... or if it is too complicated, e-mail your manufacture. You can look on the side of your food to see it lists 24% protein. And since most people on here feed Acana, 31%, I trust they realize how important protein is for a dog without problems.

However, with you, someone almost bragging out feeding a diet with 24% protein to a dog with no known medical condition other than wanting to keep him from losing weight, are misinformed. There's mounds of scientific evidence showing a high protein diet in dogs lead to weight loss, not the opposite.

See studies:

Journal of nutrition:
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/134/8/2087S.full (high protein/low carbs led to weight loss)

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S109002330800419X (high fiber and high protein lead to weigh loss)

Common factor: PROTEIN. They fed 47% protein in the first article, 38% in the second. I feed 49% and my dog has never had any health issues and vets are blown away by his health at the age of 13. He's never had a tooth cleaning. I'm not against kibble, I mean, come on, I just sat there earlier explaining how it's worked amazingly for some dogs. Some dogs, perhaps one of yours, needs less protein, but to deprive a carnivore from protein for no reason other than to keep weight off, like you mentioned for one of them, is not right. It's not morally right or scientifically right and there's ample research linking high protein diets to weight loss. You can debate carbs, but they need their ANIMAL protein without a doubt. I shutter to think about how much protein is coming from an animal when you only have 24%.
 
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HolisticFurMom said:
I'm confused as to what stats as wonky? If you don't believe the numbers I listed about your dog food use the whole dog journal link I posted in the first post discussing this. I did that so you could check your own numbers. It's not too complicated... or if it is too complicated, e-mail your manufacture. You can look on the side of your food to see it lists 24% protein. And since most people on here feed Acana, 31%, I trust they realize how important protein is for a dog without problems.

However, with you, someone almost bragging out feeding a diet with 24% protein to a dog with no known medical condition other than wanting to keep him from losing weight, are misinformed. There's mounds of scientific evidence showing a high protein diet in dogs lead to weight loss, not the opposite.

See studies:

Journal of nutrition:
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/134/8/2087S.full (high protein/low carbs led to weight loss)

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S109002330800419X (high fiber and high protein lead to weigh loss)

Common factor: PROTEIN. They fed 47% protein in the first article, 38% in the second. I feed 49% and my dog has never had any health issues and vets are blown away by his health at the age of 13. He's never had a tooth cleaning. I'm not against kibble, I mean, come on, I just sat there earlier explaining how it's worked amazingly for some dogs. Some dogs, perhaps one of yours, needs less protein, but to deprive a carnivore from protein for no reason other than to keep weight off, like you mentioned for one of them, is not right. It's not morally right or scientifically right and there's ample research linking high protein diets to weight loss. You can debate carbs, but they need their ANIMAL protein without a doubt. I shutter to think about how much protein is coming from an animal when you only have 24%.
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HolisticFurMom: Once again, you are WAY off topic on this thread. You have been asked to start a new thread to air your opinions but have ignored that request. And as I said earlier, we do not name-call on this forum, or state absolutely that people are misinformed or irresponsible because they don't agree with you. Perhaps if you stated your views in a more respectful manner, people would be more inclined to listen.

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