raw diet!

I thought tryptophan was in turkey :confused2: isnt that what makes you sleepy? anyways Belle will eat some veggies. she usualy eats some of our leftovers. she likes greenbeans! but like geerome in my research I have read that they dont need the veggies. in the wild wolves dont eat the stomach of large animals like deer, and moose, but they do eat the stomach of smaller animals like rabbits. also since its the alpha wolf that eats first he would get all the good parts like organs while the rest get whatevers leftover.
not sayin I am totaly against giving veggiers though.
 
I'm sorry Dayna... I do not mean to question your knowledge... I didn't mean to get you upset. :cry::no: The post was not meant soley for you. This is a forum and everybody reads it. The post was meant for people who are feeding sole muscle meat. I did read that you feed organs in fact you were the one when I was posting that I thinking she is doing a good job in trying to feed a balanced diet.... :yes: The way your feeding is about as all-natural as you can get. Sorry, I didn't mean for you to take it as meant for you. I should have stated that better. My fault. You forgive??? :razz:

Oh, and Jessica... I put down every essential amino acid... you will find some that are found in meat.
 
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And Dayna.... don't hide things like that from us.... You took a college program on Animal Nutrition! That is awesome! You can be proud... besides now we can all bug you to death....:winkgrin:

What you brought up about veggies being steamed before giving... I've been thinking about that and that is real interesting... because in the wild when a canine eat a carcass and the stomach contents and such... they will be eating the veggie contents moistened by the digestive juices. So, steaming really would be cosidered a more natural way of offering veggies. That really makes since.
 
Oh, and Jessica... I put down every essential amino acid... you will find some that are found in meat.
ok that makes sense now :yes:
dog nutrition is such an interesting subject! there is always something new to learn!
so what type of fruit and veggies does your dog eat?? I have always given my dogs little peices of whatever I am eating. what they really love is pumpkin! when I was carving our halloween pumpkin they kept stealing the pieces. :lol:
 
You know... I've never tried pumpkin, but I have heard that it is very high in fiber. And I have noticed that some of the more premium dried dogfoods have it in the ingrediants.
They enjoy green beans... bananas.... blueberries.... and peas.
And Jessica... I know you have a puppy right now.... just thought I'd throw this hint that I got from a breeder....since you are interested in feeding raw... give a nice frozen chicken leg to teething puppies... I tried it, they think it is yummy.
 
Belle will be 2 years old in february she is kinda past the puppy stage :razz: but that is a good tip for when I get another puppy! I tried frozen carrots when she was teething and she wouldnt chew on them.
 
Choosing the Right Dog Food

Written by Dr. Sherry Weaver

There are many websites pro and con on raw diets. The pro websites say you can relieve your dog of allergy agents known to be in commercial kibble, such as corn, wheat, and soy. The con websites warn against salmonella poisoning and bacterial infections. Can you give insight on this subject, particularly in relation to feeding chicken, beef, and lamb? Is there an increased risk of Neospora or other health-related issues with feeding dogs raw diets?

Thank You,

Cheryl

Dear Cheryl,

The decision on what to feed our canine children is a complex one. There are pet food companies shouting at you that, if you don't feed their food, you don't love your dog, and well-meaning others who want to convince you that anything commercial is taking the lazy way out. There are foods that are “all-natural” and foods with tasty bits to convince your finicky dog to eat. Just like feeding ourselves, it is very hard to sort out the truth from the marketing.

We all can agree that choosing the right food for life can be one of the biggest factors in longevity and quality of life. We also have to realize that just like human food, the best-tasting food is often not the most nutritious. Usually foods with "tasty bits" are sold to satisfy the human's emotional needs more than the dog's nutritional needs and are often the cause of obesity (a common killer of dogs).

What "all-natural" really means is often anyone's guess. To really choose the best food takes some research or requires finding someone knowledgeable who you really trust to advise what is right for your individual dog. This is not the salesman at the pet store who has only been informed by representatives from the food companies, and it shouldn't be just some website that made sense to you. Typically, your veterinarian or a trained nutritionist (who can often be found and contacted on vet school websites) is the best resources to make decisions for your dog as an individual.

One type of food espoused by some well-meaning pet lovers is biologically available raw food (BARF). The idea of this approach is that raw food is closer to what a dog would eat in the wild. Unfortunately, dogs in the wild do not live very long, which, to me, is a flaw in their logic, but I try to consider all viewpoints on issues this important. From research as it stands now, there is no real evidence that there are any health benefits to eating raw meat. If, however, you do want to try it, make sure you do your research and do it the right way. With extreme choices such as raw food, there is no such thing as “I do mostly raw food”. Even proponents of the diet will tell you that there are risks if you don’t do it exactly right. In addition to finding organic food sources, you must balance the food with vegetables and other sources of micronutrients to meet all of your dog’s nutritional needs. Changing an adult dog to BARF too quickly can cause pancreatitis, so follow the instructions of people who have successfully made the transition.

Since most of us don’t have time to look for and properly prepare organic chicken, it is more sensible to find a high-quality commercial dog food that is preserved with vitamin E or other natural preservatives (eliminating chemicals and using high-quality meat instead of meat byproducts). These foods are formulated by trained nutritionist to be the best and help your dog live the longest, healthiest life possible; something that most of us are not trained to do.

Commonly, BARF is recommended for dogs with certain medical problems such as skin conditions or immune problems. Sometimes it helps, not because of any magic of raw food, but because the key ingredients to which the pet is sensitive are eliminated. This same thing can be accomplished with carefully chosen commercial foods, getting all the nutritional advantages of teams of nutritionists while avoiding the risks of parasitism and food poisoning.

A good example is a dog with a skin problem. Food allergy is a very common component of itchy skin in dogs. Chicken, beef, lamb, corn, soy, wheat, egg, and dairy products are common ingredients which induce these allergies, but, whether they are raw or cooked, the immune system looks at them the same. The key to choosing a food for skin problems is to pick one that does not include any of these ingredients, is preserved with vitamins, and preferably is supplemented with fatty acids (fish oils). Most large food companies now have their own versions of these foods. They are usually sold as prescription foods but are not significantly more expensive than over-the-counter foods of equivalent quality.

With the wealth of foods that are available to help many different conditions, the lack of evidence that raw food provides any advantages, and the potential risks of raw food, I can’t recommend that it is a good choice at this time. As research is done, we may one day find that there are advantages, but, for now, high-quality commercial food is the better choice.

Dr. Weaver


About Dr. Sherry Weaver
Dr. Weaver graduated with honors from the University of Georgia's School of Veterinary Medicine. She founded a state-of-the-art animal hospital, teaches pet care to children, and donates time and resources to rescue organizations

(and I know a lot of you are going to say "well vets dont know anything about nutrition".. you could be right ..... i dont know if they do or dont). Just some food for thought.:yes:
 
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Yeah! Happy to find some people that feed raw! I don't know who Dr. Weaver is, but does she supply Purina or Science Diet in her practice?

My vet is supportive because he knows I do it right, and he sees the condition of my dogs. I don't feed veggies, they don't need them. I don't use pumpkin or other fibers, I don't have to.

It's a wonderful diet, I am happy I decided to with it. :smile2:
 
Chicken Backs

Is anyone feeding their Sheltie chicken backs? I read it was good for their teeth. I bought 40 pounds and I remove the fat. Just curious. I am having a difficult time with the nutrient value and calorie content of the raw diet. I have to keep my precious Bailey at a good weight. He puts on weight too quickly. Any advice is very helpful!!

Bailey's Mom ,
Sandy
 
Is anyone feeding their Sheltie chicken backs? I read it was good for their teeth. I bought 40 pounds and I remove the fat. Just curious. I am having a difficult time with the nutrient value and calorie content of the raw diet. I have to keep my precious Bailey at a good weight. He puts on weight too quickly. Any advice is very helpful!!

Bailey's Mom ,
Sandy

Hi Sandy,

Have you checked the thread you started on the subject? There are some replies there. http://sheltieforums.com/showthread.php?t=16025
 
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