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k9kreationz said:
ETA: just saw your post SheltieChe, but for now, I'll just leave mine up.

I have no "venom" towards SG at all. I believe she's a great trainer. But you're comparing apples to oranges with the designer clothing industry. First of all, the clothing industry is 100% marketing. The agility world is not. Clothing is designed and made to be sold. Agility is not. If agility turns into anything like the pro sports, I'll be very very disappointed. And SG, IMHO, is doing just that by charging the $5k. I just don't want to see the agility world turn into the pro sports world.

Yes, everything evolves, but I would hope that agility doesn't evolve into a sport where even the elite have to pay thousands and thousands of dollars. Basically, it'll push out every hobbyist who then wouldn't be able to pay for training, seminars, or trials. I mean, ask yourself, would you do agility of all of a sudden a weekend trial cost $500 for an entry because now there was prize money for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd places? Would you pay $5,000 for a 3-day seminar? Would you pay $100 per training session? What if prices were higher? Which of us would no longer be doing agility? If agility turned into that (due to evolution as you say), I know for a fact that I'd quit and in fact, I'd try to create my own group in which fees aren't that high. Actually, I bet the "market" wouldn't even sustain those prices.

As for the recallers class, as I was reading about the $5k issue, I saw a lot of people discuss their experience with recallers. Many of them were very disappointed in how if you didn't pay the higher fee, they were basically ignored when they asked questions. They said they learned a lot, but at the same time, you could tell that it was more about money than "helping" people learn. I'm just repeating things I read. So it's not BS. People out there feel that way. Not everyone, but yes, people feel jipped.

Lastly, I have no clue what the people "up there" are thinking or feeling. I'm not up there and I know maybe 1 or 2 people personally who are kind of up there. All I wrote was my own opinion and I'm way way way down there. I'm no one in the world of agility and that's why I think it's a crying shame what SG is doing.

In this world, if you have money, you get the "best of the best". When I first started out in agility, I felt like, "wow, almost anyone can be good, money or not. As long as you put the time into it, you can be great, heck you don't even need to pay for training." If SG starts turning this into a "only those with money get the goods" then that is what is disappointing to me. And I'm afraid because others will see what she can charge, they'll start charging more too.

That's why I wish she didn't do this and why I'm disappointed in the whole thing. Maybe it won't happen, but she's opened a door that will never close. I'm curious to see where the agility world will be in the next 10 years. And if it's become a big marketing arena, then yes, there will be venom from me. until then, no venom, just very disappointed in her.
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Very well said Cheryl!!
 
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I thought my post went through but I am not seeing it.If it does show up twice ignore it.With the two weekends you get will the cost of gas,food and hotel be included in that price of 5,000?I doubt it is so you are looking at more money.Yikes!!!
 
Sharon said:
I thought my post went through but I am not seeing it.If it does show up twice ignore it.With the two weekends you get will the cost of gas,food and hotel be included in that price of 5,000?I doubt it is so you are looking at more money.Yikes!!!
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Don't forget airfare for those flying in, and maybe even the cost to purchase a passport. lol
 
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k9kreationz said:
Don't forget airfare for those flying in, and maybe even the cost to purchase a passport. lol
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I forgot that so now maybe you are talking another 1500.00 for each time you have to go there unless you live in Canada then the cost would be different.:confused2:
 
I'm a little late, but here's my humble two cents :wink2:

I think that SG is a great trainer and really works well with her training especially with her 2x2 method for weaves. I know that Nellie and many other dogs would not have had the best weaves possible if it were not for that method.

Perhaps her running contacts method will be just as revolutionary, but IMO, I don't think she should be asking for $5000 for one seminar. Like someone else said, I don't want to have agility turn into an expensive sport that the best people are generally the richest. Now in agility, anyone can be the best, young or old, poor or rich. I just hope that agility keeps that lighthearted but competitive outlook where the underdog could turn out to beat the seasoned veteran.
 
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nellie123 said:
I'm a little late, but here's my humble two cents :wink2:

I think that SG is a great trainer and really works well with her training especially with her 2x2 method for weaves. I know that Nellie and many other dogs would not have had the best weaves possible if it were not for that method.

Perhaps her running contacts method will be just as revolutionary, but IMO, I don't think she should be asking for $5000 for one seminar. Like someone else said, I don't want to have agility turn into an expensive sport that the best people are generally the richest. Now in agility, anyone can be the best, young or old, poor or rich. I just hope that agility keeps that lighthearted but competitive outlook where the underdog could turn out to beat the seasoned veteran.
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You can achieve "Awesome Weaves" without the 2x2 methods.There are other ways to train them.I did not train the 2x2 way and both my dogs have "Fabulous Weaves"!!
 
I agree with Sharon. Actually for me, the 2x2s were the least successful method. It had a lot to do with how it was being taught and how the instructor had everyone proceeding through the process, but outside of class, it is not the best method for me particularly. I am better off doing channels or wams. Athena can hit any entry and she was taught with channels and guides. In fact, at Fort Wayne back over the summer, there was an extremely nasty weave entry. Dogs were NQing left and right over it. Athena was one of a handful to make that entry.
 
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