sheltie barking/growling at strangers

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We had camping plans and we decided to bring Christy with us. I though it would be too much, but considering her issues, she actually did very well. The car trip wasn't so pleasant. Her breeder did say she drools, and she sure does drool and vomit sometimes. I can tell that she had a previous bad experience in the car, probably when she was a little puppy. Even when the car isn't moving, she begins to drool. So its pretty much physiological. Coming back we made her look outside and relax, she did much better. Then she threw up once we got out. So we will continue to relax her and train her to not be nervous in the car. The actually camping trip was good. Once we got her out of the car, she was dazed she didn't bark at the people and a dog, and just showed interest in them. Our camping spot was pretty empty on our side, the other side of the river had activity such as kids, dogs, and strangers. We chose this spot so Christy won't be overstimulated and see strangers walking by. We set up a pen for her, and for the most part she would lay down quietly. If there is a dog barking, or a strange sound she would bark, we would then make a loud clap sound to snap her out of it, and say quiet. She would quiet down in a minute or so. We had a couple of times where hikers passed our camp, and she would bark and growl. And when we took hikes we passed by people several times. She would do the usual growling, and barking with a high tail. Sometimes when we are close enough to people, she would stop and sniff them. My dad took her for a walk once while we were still sleeping. He said they came across a couple who recognized that she was a sheltie. They had shelties of their own at home. She carefully approached Christy and petted her, and Christy shyly began to wag her tail. This is very promising that she would be happy around a stranger. The actual hiking was fun and Christy was having a ball. Even though she pulled on the leash, I kept on correcting her. Today we are just resting, but I want to know what should we do next? The people at the club recommend bringing her to places like pet smart, home depot, and sitting outside stores. And letting some people feed her eventually. But with the way she reacts to people and dogs, it sounds like she would scare people away and aggravate other dogs. It could be different if there was lots of people around and up close, but I'm not sure. All I know is that she should see these things at least everyday, that's why I take her on walks to the park. Is it still too early for training classes?
 
Sounds like you had a fun weekend with her. She will come around with patience and understanding.

Today we are just resting, but I want to know what should we do next? The people at the club recommend bringing her to places like pet smart, home depot, and sitting outside stores. And letting some people feed her eventually. But with the way she reacts to people and dogs, it sounds like she would scare people away and aggravate other dogs. It could be different if there was lots of people around and up close, but I'm not sure. All I know is that she should see these things at least everyday, that's why I take her on walks to the park. Is it still too early for training classes?

First off - training classes... Get her in one! Just make sure it is a safe class using positive reinforcement training. Sheltie's don't respond well to corrective/dominance style training. I, personally, love clicker training. The interaction in a controlled class environment will be good for her.

Taking her to PetSmart/PetCo, Home Depot etc. is not a bad idea but I'd go at quieter times such as early morning, late night (just before they close) or in the middle of the week (Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday tend to be slower days in retail). Take her for only 5 or 10 minutes at first and build up to longer times and busier days. Just make sure you pay attention to her body language and take treats to reward her.

Because she gets car sick, you may want to try something like Leanlix. It allows you to treat without putting something heavy on the stomach. I've been using this with Keiran since he's been having queasy stomach issues in the care lately and its been working great.
 
Sounds like you had a fun weekend with her. She will come around with patience and understanding.



First off - training classes... Get her in one! Just make sure it is a safe class using positive reinforcement training. Sheltie's don't respond well to corrective/dominance style training. I, personally, love clicker training. The interaction in a controlled class environment will be good for her.

Taking her to PetSmart/PetCo, Home Depot etc. is not a bad idea but I'd go at quieter times such as early morning, late night (just before they close) or in the middle of the week (Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday tend to be slower days in retail). Take her for only 5 or 10 minutes at first and build up to longer times and busier days. Just make sure you pay attention to her body language and take treats to reward her.

Because she gets car sick, you may want to try something like Leanlix. It allows you to treat without putting something heavy on the stomach. I've been using this with Keiran since he's been having queasy stomach issues in the care lately and its been working great.

Thanks. I did find that our local Sacramento spca has positive reinforcement training classes. They have classes once a week for 6 weeks and costs $100. Would this be a good class for Christy?
And I will try to take her places for very short times. I might even just let her sit in a parked car and look out, then I can see how she reacts. Would It be better to put her in a shopping cart for the first few times? Would she feel less vulnerable?
Also thanks for the recommendation on Leanlix, I will check it out
 
Thanks. I did find that our local Sacramento spca has positive reinforcement training classes. They have classes once a week for 6 weeks and costs $100. Would this be a good class for Christy?

I just took a look at their website (http://www.sspca.org/pet-carebehavior/dog-training-classes/basic-training/) in order to answer that question. It looks like they have two "Small Breed" Basic Training classes. That's the one I'd take her to since she won't have to worry about larger dogs. (Heck, she may end up being the biggest dog in the class.) I'd call them first and make sure they will allow a Sheltie in the Small Breed class.

I wish the Puppy Class was open to her but it looks like 6 months (7 or 8 now given how long this thread's been active) is too old for their puppy class.


And I will try to take her places for very short times. I might even just let her sit in a parked car and look out, then I can see how she reacts. Would It be better to put her in a shopping cart for the first few times? Would she feel less vulnerable?

I was going to suggest a cart, and would DEFINITELY put her in a cart at Home Depot because you never know what may be on the floor. (Take a bed or something to put under her because of the openings in the bottom of the cart.) At the pet stores, you'll have to judge by her reaction to the environment. I'd say let her walk so she learns there's nothing to be afraid of. If she's too nervous, put her in the cart.
 
I just took a look at their website (http://www.sspca.org/pet-carebehavior/dog-training-classes/basic-training/) in order to answer that question. It looks like they have two "Small Breed" Basic Training classes. That's the one I'd take her to since she won't have to worry about larger dogs. (Heck, she may end up being the biggest dog in the class.) I'd call them first and make sure they will allow a Sheltie in the Small Breed class.

I wish the Puppy Class was open to her but it looks like 6 months (7 or 8 now given how long this thread's been active) is too old for their puppy class.

I was going to suggest a cart, and would DEFINITELY put her in a cart at Home Depot because you never know what may be on the floor. (Take a bed or something to put under her because of the openings in the bottom of the cart.) At the pet stores, you'll have to judge by her reaction to the environment. I'd say let her walk so she learns there's nothing to be afraid of. If she's too nervous, put her in the cart.

Thanks, I was wondering that. Shelties are considered a small breed, but when I visualize small breeds I imagine Chihuahuas, and yorkies. My girl is already the size of an average sheltie, and will get bigger. Since she is young, she just might be able to be put in a small breed class. We already registered her for a class in July/August for the just basic class. They will contact us, and when they do, I will ask about the small breed class. Makes a lot of sense to put her in that class instead. I would've done puppies if I could, but she is already 7 months old. Too bad there isn't one for older puppies.



already planned on putting her in a cart at home depot. I've been there before, and there are all kinds of materials on the ground that I'm sure Christy would eat. right now I just caught her eating paper towels :rolleyes2:. And I will see how she is at pet smart. I might bring my sister along with me. She does a little better and more protected when we walk as a "pack"
 
We already registered her for a class in July/August for the just basic class. They will contact us, and when they do, I will ask about the small breed class. Makes a lot of sense to put her in that class instead. I would've done puppies if I could, but she is already 7 months old. Too bad there isn't one for older puppies.

Honestly, I'd contact them now and inquire about switching her registration to the Small Breed class rather than waiting on them to call. If you wait, the Small Breed class may be full. Remember, you need to be Christy's advocate so please contact them about the change. If they can't move you, then stay where you are. Being in a class with bigger dogs isn't a bad thing, she needs to learn to manager herself among all types of dogs, but the Small Breed would be better.



already planned on putting her in a cart at home depot. I've been there before, and there are all kinds of materials on the ground that I'm sure Christy would eat. right now I just caught her eating paper towels :rolleyes2:. And I will see how she is at pet smart. I might bring my sister along with me. She does a little better and more protected when we walk as a "pack"

Ah paper, the food of dogs for some reason. My puppy, Keiran, loves to tear apart cardboard boxes. My adult boy, Edan, loves tissues - especially used (ew!), and my adult girl, CJ, will shred any paper she can get her paws on.

If Christy feels more comfortable in a pack, then go for it. You can always have your sister wander a different isle (you go down one with Christy and your sister down another and meet at the other end) to praise her for being a brave girl.
 
I just emailed them about switching to the smaller breed class, hopefully it will give her more confidence. I mainly want her in this class so she gets used to seeing strangers and other dogs without being reactive. She already knows a lot of the commands they will teach in the class. They still also go over many different things, so the class will be well worth it for both of us. And if I feel she does well in this class, we might even move to an intermediate class.
 
She's now enrolled in the small dog class, which is in July, so it should give us more time to prepare and bond.
We will still walk everyday, and let her experience seeing strangers. She still barks and growls at dogs and people, but thankfully, only barks when they are a certain distance. What's also weird is that she didn't react this way to the vet, or the clients. At a closer distance her curiosity takes over and she begins to sniff the people's feet. Another time a lady slowly approached her, and Christy began to slowly wag her tail. Also if we are walking a distance and behind the stranger, she does better. Were thinking on taking her to a farmer's market with the whole family. Would this be a good idea? I'm a bit unsure about it.
I'm still working on loose leash, but once she reacts towards dogs barking behind a fence, she gets tense and begins to pull. I try my best to keep her at my side and block her from the trigger even if that means she is pulling, which leads to an even more tensed up dog. Is that the best way to handle it? There are sometimes we can't move farther away from the trigger, and in order for her to go to the park, we have to cross an area which happens to have 2-3 barking dogs.
Besides all this she is doing great, and we are bonding more. We got her a tunnel, and she has no fear and enjoys it a lot.
 
She's now enrolled in the small dog class, which is in July, so it should give us more time to prepare and bond.
We will still walk everyday, and let her experience seeing strangers. She still barks and growls at dogs and people, but thankfully, only barks when they are a certain distance. What's also weird is that she didn't react this way to the vet, or the clients. At a closer distance her curiosity takes over and she begins to sniff the people's feet. Another time a lady slowly approached her, and Christy began to slowly wag her tail. Also if we are walking a distance and behind the stranger, she does better. Were thinking on taking her to a farmer's market with the whole family. Would this be a good idea? I'm a bit unsure about it.
I'm still working on loose leash, but once she reacts towards dogs barking behind a fence, she gets tense and begins to pull. I try my best to keep her at my side and block her from the trigger even if that means she is pulling, which leads to an even more tensed up dog. Is that the best way to handle it? There are sometimes we can't move farther away from the trigger, and in order for her to go to the park, we have to cross an area which happens to have 2-3 barking dogs.
Besides all this she is doing great, and we are bonding more. We got her a tunnel, and she has no fear and enjoys it a lot.

edit- we took her for a pretty good walk today. Probably because we didn't come across any people walking on the path :rolleyes2:. But we did venture farther and closer to some basketball players. Christy did watch them with ears perked up, but was comfortable enough to focus on me, do some tricks, and slowly move closer. The only time she growled was at a neighbor's house. We passed by another neighbor watering her yard, and Christy behaved well. Also when cars came by she didn't growl or bark. :smile2: Today I tired to keep an upbeat happy mood, which I think helped a lot. I did this by having a song in my head, and just talking to Christy, which calms both of our nerves.
 
Yesterday we took Christy to the farmer's market, and she did surprisingly better than expected. The car ride was much better, she did drool, but not as much and she never threw up :). We went to the Davis farmer's market early in the morning, and it was pretty crowded. There were lots of people, kids, and musicians. Thankfully not a whole lot of dogs. We stayed there for about 10-20 minutes. We walked her through some crowds and then we went to a grass area and ate. The only times she barked/growled was when kids got too close, which was about 2 times, and when she was in the car watching pedestrians (at first). We actually got her to focus on me for a few seconds and do sit/lie down near a gated playground. She did seem to be a little nervous and stimulated, but not cowering with her tail tucked. She was still curious and sniffed some passing people. It probably helped when we were all there to support her. If given the chance to fixate on a person, that's when she barks/growls. So we then redirect her on something like a treat, or just keep moving. I realize she isn't as bad as I thought she was, so it gives me more confidence to take her out more often.
 
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