When Rescue Goes Wrong

Mom2Melli said:
True. The sheriff would come along only if initial phone or in person contact was unsuccessful.

I did some poking around and I can register all three of my dogs with one registry for one lifetime fee (which I paid when I got Shay and Melli has the same type of chip and is added. Started a profile for Cubby already). I can do the same with the other registry. So now the scanner will read both types of chips and refer them to both registries. Two is better than one right? Must be more legal right?
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As the well written article on the kaos stated they are not legal in themselves just a documentation of ownership. With Sca (yes he is chipped) it could be pictures of me and him at flyball, neighbors witnessing, receipt and papers among other things. However dual registration might be an aide in the case of a honest shelter/rescue which most are.
 
I agree with those advising caution of what is being said. Part of the problem has been the comments, etc, being posted particularly on Facebook. Having followed the story from the very beginning, it is clear that it will only take a court ruling to resolve it.

There isn't any clear evidence of some of the points that have been made - break in, etc - that directly tie this to Piper. Speculation abounds. What we need to keep in mind that anything said on the internet stays on the internet and unless it is in private messaging, anyone can read it and use it for or against someone or in a situation.

We all put ourselves in Veronica's place - it is impossible not to. Please - watch your words. We do not want to harm her chance of getting Piper back.
 
I am reading these posts with my jaw on the floor. It blows my mind that this thing could have all gone so wrong, every step of the way. In all my contacts with rescues I have never come across this kind of situation, so please don't label them all as radical animal rescues. Any organization is only as good as the folks in them.

Tri-State Sheltie Rescue did such wonderful work under Julie and now they are folding because no-one could keep up her level of commitment and time that she gave to rescuing all kinds of Shelties, even from a hoarder.

Honestly, my heart breaks the most for Piper, who must be so confused. So sad she escaped from her temporary care-takers.

I really hope she gets back to her owner but it seems like it will be a long, drawn out fight.... :cry:
 
I have a certificate showing Watson's chip is registered to me. After I re-located his registration papers that got misplaced when we first got him after I landed myself in the hospital with cardiac scare, I've been dragging my feet getting those in. Not now... I don't know how much getting another form of registration would help. Does anyone have there dogs tattooed? I wonder of that would work... can't be removed like a collar or apparently a microchip. And good luck saying oh this dog doesn't look like that picture you have.

What I'm now concerned about is my cats... they are chipped but I never got anything from the shelter when I got them regarding their registration. I always assumed that they sent my registration in. But, I don't really know. How can I check this? Have the vet scan them the next time we go in? I don't really know what kind of info shows up when they do that. We now live almost 400 miles away from the shelter where I got Petey.
 
Watson's Mom said:
What I'm now concerned about is my cats... they are chipped but I never got anything from the shelter when I got them regarding their registration. I always assumed that they sent my registration in. But, I don't really know. How can I check this? .
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Use this search tool to find out where your cats' (and dogs too) chips are registered.

Thanks to the AAHA’s Universal Pet Microchip Lookup Tool, shelters and vets can search any U.S. microchip and see exactly where it is registered. Even if your microchip is registered with a different company than the one that originally sold it, animal care professionals will be able to find your registration immediately using this free website. Many microchips are cross-registered anyway, so this website is really the only way to know for sure which company has pet owner contact information for a microchip. Therefore, all shelters and vets should use this tool as the first step in getting pets home. Use whichever registry you like. Just make sure your registry participates in the Pet Microchip Lookup Tool*. If not, your pet will be at the mercy of a lucky guess.

(*At time of writing, all common microchip registries participate in petmicrochiplookup.org except for Avid and 24PetWatch. A current list of AAHA’s participating companies is available on their website).

This information comes from the AAHA Pet Microchip Lookup website:
http://www.petmicrochiplookup.org/
 
So to sum up this thread. In Piper's case the breeder is working through every legal channel she has access to which is the right thing to do.

Neither on this thread nor from any group any of us on this thread have personal knowledge of has there actually been real contemplation or action to the effect of taking the dog back by force. Here are just a bunch of people remarking what they would want to do if it happened to them and how scary this kind of situation is for us all.

Everyone here agrees that Piper's breeder's legal team should continue the effort to bring Piper home and that we here believe Piper should be released and returned to her owner/breeder because we think adequate data has been presented to prove Piper rightfully belongs to this breeder.

This thread should have no bearing on this case for either party.
 
JLSOhio51 said:
Sheep of Blue: You and I think similarly. The stuff we are reading here suggests that even if we update all information to a "T", someone can still hijack our companions. The Ohio case is clear - the lady does NOT intend to return the dog. Legal or not, an armed midnight raid would be in MY future.
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This is because there is no law that defines ownership of a companion animal, but there are laws to reassign that ownership to the state (a shelter). Nothing in state law says "a microchip will be used to establish ownership" or "Registration with an Accepted Kennel Club establishes ownership".

The only thing you can do is provide a boatload of evidence that you care for that animal on a regular basis (licenses, rabies/vet information, registration, etc.) and then hope the other party does the right thing. But if the dog has triggered those reassignment laws, then theres not a whole hell of a lot you can do besides go public and try to shame them.
 
Cara - this thread may have no bearing on this case, but we do not know what people will or will not use to justify something. This has been done in this case - read the Piper facebook page all the way through to follow it.
 
ClantyreSheltie said:
This is because there is no law that defines ownership of a companion animal, but there are laws to reassign that ownership to the state (a shelter). Nothing in state law says "a microchip will be used to establish ownership" or "Registration with an Accepted Kennel Club establishes ownership".
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That is one of the most frightening things I've read about dogs. I am hoping that is not the case in Arizona. Just the concept that you cannot prove ownership is jaw-dropping. How can proof of purchasing an animal not confer ownership? :eek2:
 
It's very scary to think about. I'm looking my state laws about dog ownership. Like many people on this forum, I travel with my dog on a regular basis for various dog activities, mainly flyball. I would be absolutely devastated if something were to happen and Missy ended up in the custody of somebody else, and I had to fight to get her back. I feel like the best way to protect ourselves is to be proactive about it.

I joined a FB group for updates about Piper's situation. I will be following it closely.
 
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