Bad day with Ruckus

My sheltie's name is Ruckus as well! New to the forum but happy to be here. sorry to hear about the aggression problem. I have had alot of experience with aggressive dogs (different breeds) I seem to like the challenge but it can be quite depressing when you think you have made a break through. I'd like to add to the debate about Cesar Milan. He is my role model. His techniques have helped me greatly in my line of work. I don't agree that his techniques overwhelm the dog because so much of what he does is through silence and energy. IT WORKS! I have used his methods with two of the hardest dogs I have ever worked with. One being a 150lb rottweiler and one with my 7lb chihuahua (Riot) both dogs are awesome now. The rottie has been placed in a great home and my chihuahua is doing good with some mishaps here and there. I say give Cesar a chance
 
Ruckuslover: There's this TV show called "It's Me or the Dog" with Victoria Stillwell, and she has covered this type of thing fairly often. What she did was to ask people to walk by and throw treats at the dog (she gave them the treats). Eventually the dog began to like the idea of new types of people. You could have them wear hooded sweatshirts or whatever. She also worked with a dog that hated the mailman and rented a mailman costume for a guy to wear as he walked back and forth in front of the house and threw the dog treats. I know you socialized your puppy, but socialization is most effective when done before the end of the 12th week and definitely by the end of the 16th week. That's why I keep telling people to make sure their puppy has been socialized before they get it. Even the best breeders will have a crisis at some time. If they haven't been socialized when younger, then you have to constantly keep socializing them. I hope this helps or maybe some of the books that people have mentioned. Ruckus is sure to come around with time. My prayers are with both of you.
 
I just read that even neutered boys take a while to settle down. The hormones may not be there but they are still thinking adolescent thoughts. It's apparently very unusual for adolescent boys to have steady rapid improvements in behaviour and they don't always take to training. (Encouraging thoughts for us with teenage shelties isn't it?) We just have to keep plugging away at socialising and desensitizing them to whatever they are fearful about and keep with the obedience training until they are 1 and a half, 2 years old.

I mentioned Control Unleashed earlier and I think I also said this in a post elsewhere - there's a "game" recommended called the Look At That game where essentially you mark (click) the moment your dog looks at whatever he's afraid of (eg. hooded man / mob of teens) or finds interesting and reward your dog (do this with you two standing at some distance from the object first). The dog then starts offering the behaviour of looking at said object (because he realises looking means he'll get a treat and it becomes a game to him) then turning to you. Done over and over, this creates a chain in the dog's head - every time he sees something interesting he'll turn towards you, breaking off contact with whatever scares the crap out of him and cutting off the spiral into fear aggression that usually happens when he sees something scary. I thought this was BRILLIANT because not only does it turn something scary into a game for the dog , the dog also refocuses on you which is what we ultimately want. I've started to work on this with Romeo. I have high hopes!

I do see how some of the principles behind CM's work can be sound, like silence and energy, which the dog can sense and they definitely affect the dog's behaviour (if you are tense, it does travel down the leash!). I also agree exercise is very important! But for me, it ends there. The making a dog face what it fears and popping of the leash doesn't modify the aggressive behaviour from what I've studied so far on how animals learn and behave, they just suppress it. (I didn't read what critics say about him but drew my own conclusions from research) When I watch his vids, the dogs are throwing all sorts of stress and coping signals. Some shut down completely. From what I see, his methods are all about empowering the handler with 'confidence' rather than truly caring about the welfare of the dog. Confidence can be gained by understanding your dog, and I find that there are better and more effective methods, safer and less stressful to dog and humans to achieve the end result. Just my thoughts!

Like Silaria, I tried the leash popping for loose leash walking under a trainer. I was unhappy with the technique but didn't have the balls to stand up for my dog then. The end results were FAR from desirable - Romeo showed clear signs of stress and while he walked loosely by my side, he was clearly miserable and never once would he look at me. We've since switched trainers and now use purely positive techniques and I'm getting amazing results - he's heeling practically all the time when he's not sniffing/marking and bonus, he's giving plenty of eye contact without being cued throughout. He's happy, I'm happy! Win-win!
 
If we are going to get some of these books that have been recommended, remember that if we go through "Sheltienation.com" to "Amazon.com", Sheltie Nation will get some of the profits to help support sheltie rescue.
 
Good luck - I am very much for positive techniques and there is a danger with Shelties (and herding breads) of their losing confidence as adults if you use harsh techniques. My female was extremely aggressive after being attacked so I have been thru all of this before - and seen behaviourists and a vet psych. One thing - it is really important that you recognise his 'red zone'

Have you tried driving somewhere to take him for a walk. Territorial aggression does tend to rear at adolescence (even in neutered dogs) so driving to a destination for walks will reduce this.

Walks with just you and him are better - I walked mine seperately for the first year and they still each have at least one solo walk with me once a week. It is impossible to get a dog to focus with someone (esp another dog) around.

If he starts reacting don't even bother with the treats if it is bad - turn and walk away. Definately dont let him get to the point he goes into the 'red zone' - where he is so stressed out that nothing will focus him. Until he gets better be calm and walk away so he can wind back down. Once he 'calms down' you can give him a treat but don't try it when he is in the 'red zone'.

Only socialise him with similar or smaller sized dogs and in very small doses - if it is fear aggression you will only make him more stressed with bigger dogs.
 
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