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Thanks for the reply! I've joined the CU Yahoo group and have the mp3's so that will help definitely.

I'm tempted to move on pretty quickly through the book, but want to start learning and make sure I don´t forget things, so we'll start at square 1!

Glad to see that other people are using CU and I can bounce questions off of!
 
I go to my class on Saturday. I'm so excited. I just received a behavioral assessment from the trainer and what we'll need and what we'll be doing. Dear gawd this is a LONG list of things to bring. LOL. It's a 4-hour course and it says we'll be working on the following:

1. training a damange control response (get ot of dodge) for you to use to get out of a triggering situation
2. watch me command
3. look at that: the ability to look at triggers w/o an aggressive response
4. self control exercises
5. teaching owners how to read their dog (I soooo need this)
6. targeting exercises for attention
7. relaxation techniques
8. training the human to be proactive rather than reactive to triggers
9. go to your mat (and stay)
10. crate games


so, with that, does anyone here, doing CU have any advice or thoughts? I haven't done any CU training, so I'm a total noob at this.

Thanks. Now, to go all this stuff together, LOL.
 
Just go and have fun and soak it up !

Maybe one of these days I'll get to do the seminar. However, I'm watching dvd 3 of a set of three of one of her seminars. You and your dog will pick up the skills quickly at the seminar, but the real practice will come afterwards at home, particularly when the skills are taken outside to different and progressively distracting locales.

Can't wait to hear your feedback !
 
Over the threshold

Cheryl, I'm looking forward to hearing about your training today.

A question-- Once Ginger IS over her threashhold, how do you get her to calm back down? We're working on LAT and the Relaxation Proptecal, but --it's a work in progress.

For example at Agility class, she gets hyper and wants to greet every dog, all the time. we spend a lot of time (too much, if you ask me) standing in a line w/our dogs waiting our turn to do an element. Ginger gets hyper and tunes me out. BUT when we get to the element, she does just fine. As I writing this, I wonder if she picking up on some my frustrations with how the class is run.

Thanks,
 
Having read through this thread and checked out the You Tube vids I've now ordered my copy of the book.

It sounds excellent because Cadbury really struggles to concentrate especially at agility or off lead. I've watched 'The Recall Game' and keep thinking if only...

Right, so I'm going to try this. Just got to wait for the book to be delivered :rolleyes2:
 
A question-- Once Ginger IS over her threashhold, how do you get her to calm back down? We're working on LAT and the Relaxation Proptecal, but --it's a work in progress.

For example at Agility class, she gets hyper and wants to greet every dog, all the time. we spend a lot of time (too much, if you ask me) standing in a line w/our dogs waiting our turn to do an element. Ginger gets hyper and tunes me out. BUT when we get to the element, she does just fine. As I writing this, I wonder if she picking up on some my frustrations with how the class is run.

Thanks,


Gingers Mom--I would work your mat work while your waiting in line, that way you are being productive and using class time to get some stuff done and will be less frustrated.

Good luck, Control Unleashed changed my whole way of thinking about reactive dogs.
 
Okay, here's a recap of my class. First, this class was 4 hours long and to be honest, I didn't like having to "bait" my dog to stay in his crate and be quiet. Koji was NOT happy. He went through a 12" 3-braided bully stick, a bone filled with a TON of PB (imho, maybe to much, I thought pb wasn't good for them in big quantities), a TON of food....and this was to just keep him quiet.

And then she told us, she'll be covering the very basics of only a small portion of the book. Ugh! Why am I hear again?

Here's the list of things we were supposed to learn, I'll give you my feedback on it.

1. training a damage control response (get ot of dodge) for you to use to get out of a triggering situation
I don't think we did this, I cant even think of what this might have been.

2. watch me command

This we did, and we definitely need to work on this. We also learned this in puppy training.

3. look at that: the ability to look at triggers w/o an aggressive response
This is mainly what I wanted to work on and learn in the correct way. i think this will be very useful. I know I was working on it at home, when I go walking, and it's helped a bit, but knowing how to do it correctly and how/when to click/treat is even better. This was one of the things I really wanted to work on. I'm glad she put a lot of time into it.

4. self control exercises
Koji needs this. I'm not sure which exercise this was supposed to be, now that I'm thinking back.

5. teaching owners how to read their dog (I soooo need this)

Now THIS was excellent. In the beginning of class (after a bit of a lecture part), she had us individually take our dog out of the crate, and walk him to a large penned off area, WHILE she narrated what the dog was feeling. She was reading him, telling us what to look at, look for, and what the dog was telling us. i.e. I didn't realize when a dog came out of a crate and shook, he was shaking off any stress. I jsut figured he was stretching or fixing his fur. lol. My dog came out, started pulling to go right at her and she said, "well, this is interesting". we went into the pen, and she said, "oh, i didn't realize Mr President was with us today". ohmigod, hilarious! She did point out to me thta when Koji's ears went forward, and he stares, even for a second, that THAT is what i need to look out for, and to not allow. Yup guys, my dog thinks he's the present aka it's all about me. but this was great. I learned a lot about dog behavior that i had no clue about.

6. targeting exercises for attention
She told us that dogs put "training" into to categories. tricks and commands. targeting, for some reason is always in the tricks category, so they love to work for it. we worked on targeting our hands (which i do for agility, so he's got that down pat). but she's right. Koji will touch almost anytime for any reward, versus me trying to get him to sit, or stay, etc. so keep that in mind. she said her dog had ran off, refused to listen to her recall, but then she yelled touch, the dog came screaching back to her to touch her hand. lol. this is also why dogs love the "go to your mat" commands.


7. relaxation techniques

she gave us a very short massage relaxation technique to help calm our dogs. although Koji refused, later in the class, it really helped a Shiba. So, obviously it works.


8. training the human to be proactive rather than reactive to triggers
I think this goes more along the lines of reading your dog. teaching them to pay attention to you, so they dont' react as fast.


9. go to your mat (and stay)

I'm sure we all know what this is. Self-explanatory. On the upside, at the end, she helped me with Koji. He'll go to the mat, lie down, but as soon as I reward, he stands up. She showed me what to do so I can teach him to stay down until I release him

10. crate games
I don't think we really did this.


Okay, to a point, I was disappointed because we did things I already do (touch, go to your mat, look at me - not that), but thankfully since most of us knew it, we didn't spend a lot of time on it. The ONE thing I really took away from this, was "framework". She talked about how we need framework, so when we go to new places, we always have that to fall back on, and the dogs are like, "oh yeah, I know this stuff" and it helps them relax in new places.

So, for us, our framework went like this.
1. When coming out of the crate (or whatevers) reorient to me, meaning, don't go walking off already, come out, look FOR me. Koji likes to just pull and wander off. This will be great for him.
2. When they do that, now look at me (make eye contact).
At this point, if they cant' do any of that, for whatever reasons, that's when you use the "go to the mat" or the "relaxation techniques", etc. We didn't get it until the VERY end of class.

Remember the pen? Well she had us one at a time, take our dogs out of the crate, reorient to us, then walk to the pen. when walking over, she'd have us stop, wait until the dogs reorient to us again, and keep going. Remember the Shiba? It was so nervous. It was done eating (prolly too much food, wouldnt' even eat cheese whiz). so, the instructor told her to sit on the ground and do the relaxation technique. she did and after a few mins, stood up, the dog shook (off it's stress) and was a lot more relaxed. another dog, couldn't stand still, until the owner told the dog to go to the mat. the instructor was using her dogs to do the distraction, to work on "look at that". it was amazing! in that short of time, the dogs were doing a great job.

So, overall, I felt I learned a handful of great things. She said she's going to have a CU advanced class. I think I'd like to get these commands down first. I will buy the book however, to learn more about CU. I guess, when you're the President of the United States, you're not used to having people tell you what to do (lol, that so fits my dog).

Oh, lastly, I wasn't sure about her teaching the class, but she said she knows Leslie, has worked with her for years, has worked with her training staff for a long time, etc. So that made me feel better about the class.

Now, we're just dealing with Koji's day of diarrhea. Like I said, he had a LOT of junk. and high value rewards. gross. i hope it's over, the poop. cuz then I can start training with the normal things again.

If anyone has any questions, go ahead and ask away. I'm glad I took the actual class, as I'm sure the book will make a lot more sense. I don't feel like we really got any 1-on-1 time and that too many people were asking questions about their dog, so instruction at times was spotty (like she wasn't paying attention because she was answering back to back questions, or we had to wait to start an exercise, while she answered more questions). since it was stated, 6 people maximum, and there were 10 of us there. I was really disappointed, EVEN though there were 2 instructors. Having only 6 would've made a HUGE difference in what we did and having more time to ask questions.
 
For example at Agility class, she gets hyper and wants to greet every dog, all the time. we spend a lot of time (too much, if you ask me) standing in a line w/our dogs waiting our turn to do an element. Ginger gets hyper and tunes me out. BUT when we get to the element, she does just fine. As I writing this, I wonder if she picking up on some my frustrations with how the class is run.

Thanks,

Koji has the same problem, and I have the same complaint in class. We typically only have 6 people in class, but since 3 dropped out, you don't know how much nicer it is. Granted, not sure I could afford classes like that.

What I learned to do was 1. put Koji in daycare (even after 10 hours of straight daycare, he still has his antsy days). 2. bring Kong's (but if you're in line, that may not work, we're sitting down and he's in his crate - door open). 3. work on something (I tend to work on his down - is there something you can work on while in line?)

Just curious, how many people are in the class? I know there are days, when Koji does a run, does it great, and that's it. Then the other dogs, go over and over and over again and Koji starts to get frustrated cuz he doesn't get to be out there running. Other days, we move faster. And this is a class of 6.
 
Cheryl,

Thanks for the report on your class. I re-read almost the whole boook this weekend and we worked on gnger's recall. When I mark her even turning her head towards me when I say her name, she comes FLYING towards me. It's been great.

Our class has 12 people--2 instructors--but that's still A LOT going on. It's in a big barn, so no place to sit or "go to mat" while in line. This week I'm going to try LAT and reward downs and sits more than I normally do.

I'm feeling more confident after the work we did this weekend, so hopefully that will carry over too. I'll report on Thurs after our class.
 
Mat work seems to be helping !

Keeping fingers crossed: Mat work seems to be helping !

I have to share two back-to-back weeks that I have had with Snap at agility class. We are working on obstacles, having started with agility 3 months ago. The class is held in a rural location, with 2 adjoining fenced in areas, each containing agility equipment. The site is the “back yard” of the owner of the business. He owns 3 border collies, who usually are out when I arrive.

My class consists of three teams. Snap and I are the only green (handler) / green (dog) team and my agility instructor is the same person who is conducting our informal CU group.

Last week the other two teams did not come to class, leaving Snap and I with a private class. There were moments of splendor when Snap did his first jump-tunnel-jump sequence and his first “pinwheel” jump configuration. HOWEVER, interspersed with the backchaining that we did to work up to these things, he broke away at full run: 1) to chase a neighbor’s departing car; 2) to chase away the border collies, who had just come outside; and 3) to dash back to make sure that the border collies weren’t still outside --- just for good measure. I left feeling elated and dejected at the same time and agreed with my instructor that Snap would probably be in CU class for life.

Tonight I took a mat to class. I arrived early enough to take the mat into the enclosure. While we were waiting for the others, I worked on sending Snap to his mat, having him come off to do some flatwork turns with me, then sending him back to his mat. When the other team arrived (ie: change of environment), my job was send him back to the mat and reward him copiously with treats. It worked beautifully: he could care less that the other team had come in. I used the mat repeatedly during the lesson: 1) on the pause table, to reinforce the behavior of lying down and having it be a “great” place to stay; 2) next to a jump to reinforce his stay until I released him and commanded him to jump; and 3) finally at the end of the lesson when one of the border collies came back outside. When he saw the bc he completely lost his focus and started lunging and barking. With the mat and food, I was able to re-focus him on me in short order and he did a jump-tunnel-jump sequence without breaking away.
 
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