Just signed Devon up for beginning agility class

Devon went over the A-frame tonight, and it did it of his own accord without coaxing. I had asked the instructor at class tonight to help me with him on the A-frame as the only time we got him over was with great difficulty and coaxing as I wrote about above. When it was our turn to try it she said she'd be over in a minute because she was working with someone else, so having nothing else to do while I was waiting I took Devon to the base of it and he just went right up and over like it was no big deal and like he'd never been afraid of it. I got to do it with him about five times and each time he just went right up and over. I just can't figure it out. I'm not complaining mind you, but I can't figure what changed in the last two weeks for him.
 
Devon went over the A-frame tonight, and it did it of his own accord without coaxing. I had asked the instructor at class tonight to help me with him on the A-frame as the only time we got him over was with great difficulty and coaxing as I wrote about above. When it was our turn to try it she said she'd be over in a minute because she was working with someone else, so having nothing else to do while I was waiting I took Devon to the base of it and he just went right up and over like it was no big deal and like he'd never been afraid of it. I got to do it with him about five times and each time he just went right up and over. I just can't figure it out. I'm not complaining mind you, but I can't figure what changed in the last two weeks for him.
Yay!
 
I think I remember the instructor saying that their A-Frame doesn't lower. I'm pretty sure that's the case as it would have been a lot easier to do that with Devon versus trying to coax him over the top at full height on his first try. However, some of the other dogs don't seem to have a problem, but then again Devon is the smallest dog in the class so I suspect that the A-Frame looks more intimidating to him.
that is actually odd as AKC has 2 heights for the Aframe in competition- NADAC has one height and I think USDAA has one height- not sure about other organizations. I wish they'd all pick one height- my shelties do a running Aframe and height changes can mess up their striding so that they miss the contact zone.
 
So your Sheltie's are taught to just run right off the end and not stop in the yellow? I've been doing that with Devon and the instructor said I should teach him to stop in the yellow so that I have a chance to catch up with him. I can sort of see that on the dog walk, but on the A-Frame since they are picking up speed going downhill anyway I'd think that would be really hard to get them to stop. I didn't want to try to teach him to stop on the A-Frame last night because I was just happy that he went over it on his own for the first time without being afraid and I didn't want to spook him by giving him the hold command and causing him to skid off the bottom. He will obey the hold command coming off the dog walk, but sometimes he ends up with all his feet on the floor and only his backside on the yellow.
 
So your Sheltie's are taught to just run right off the end and not stop in the yellow? I've been doing that with Devon and the instructor said I should teach him to stop in the yellow so that I have a chance to catch up with him. I can sort of see that on the dog walk, but on the A-Frame since they are picking up speed going downhill anyway I'd think that would be really hard to get them to stop. I didn't want to try to teach him to stop on the A-Frame last night because I was just happy that he went over it on his own for the first time without being afraid and I didn't want to spook him by giving him the hold command and causing him to skid off the bottom. He will obey the hold command coming off the dog walk, but sometimes he ends up with all his feet on the floor and only his backside on the yellow.
yes- running contacts are faster so if you want to win...............
lots of people when I was starting in agility talked about the shoulder/front end strain of stopping in a 2o2o position on the Aframe so we went with running. Most shelties' natural stride will take them through the contact zone.
it's true that stopped contacts give you a chance to catch up but there are other ways to handle that challenge.
 
yes- running contacts are faster so if you want to win...............
lots of people when I was starting in agility talked about the shoulder/front end strain of stopping in a 2o2o position on the Aframe so we went with running. Most shelties' natural stride will take them through the contact zone.
it's true that stopped contacts give you a chance to catch up but there are other ways to handle that challenge.
The handlers position?
 
yes- running contacts are faster so if you want to win...............
lots of people when I was starting in agility talked about the shoulder/front end strain of stopping in a 2o2o position on the Aframe so we went with running. Most shelties' natural stride will take them through the contact zone.
it's true that stopped contacts give you a chance to catch up but there are other ways to handle that challenge.


Hmmm.... I feel that Devon would be better coming off of the AFrame without stopping too, and like you said he's unlikely to miss the yellow with his smaller stride (have you ever seen a dog hurt their pads or catch a toenail trying to stop on that steep a slope?). As I get further into this I may push back on the instructor about it. For now I'd be afraid if I pushed back, given my beginner status, she might not take that very well.
 
I've been doing that with Devon and the instructor said I should teach him to stop in the yellow so that I have a chance to catch up with him.

We're just on our 2nd session of agility, but this is how my trainer starts out. She trains for competition, not just for fun. The first level of the class I attend is all about teaching each piece of equipment. There are a few folks who are there just for fun, she doesn't do the same with them. If you express interest in competing, stuff is totally different. We do 2 - 3 pieces of the course each turn, and we do things slow. Things with contact points, the A-Frame, the dog walk, the table, she is all about slowing things down and making those contact points or in the case of the table, making them in the proper direction based on the handlers instructions. She will often thrown in a stop at the end of the weave to make sure that the dog is in proper position. She wants to train proper from the get go, not try and fix it after. So , yes, we do a sit at the end of the dog walk, but remember, she is not training at fast speeds at this level, we do a sit at the end of the A-frame. Everything is about making sure the dog is 100% trained on making contact points, following signals, and my part of the training is where to stand, which arm to be using, how to position my feet. I am not trying to keep up with Brodie, because that will never happen. I am training on where to be and how to move on the inside in the smallest, most effective way so I can direct him through a course, but remember we are not racing through the course at this level either, we are doing this slower and more methodical - this is teaching, not racing. If he is spot on and listening, at the end of the class, he gets a few full runs throughs without the stops. She does NOT want him to learn short cuts. Once we move up to the next level of class, we practice and pick up speed.

We had a border collie in our beginner class, she was FAST, she LOVES agility and competing. But she was trained elsewhere, was competing and never getting anywhere because she was taking short cuts. She started in our class to learn basics again, contact points, following her handlers instructions. She was worked these last two sessions with a contact point and clicker and after a lot of work, she is moving back up again.

If you are doing for fun, it's not as important, but if you think you want to try a few competitions (we did with Rally and it's fun!), you want to train correctly from the start because bad habits are HARD to break. Speed will come with practice, good habits will not easily be over-ridden.
 
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