why wasn't she considered in contempt right there, fined and jailed if she wouldn't answer??? I mean seriously WHAT gives her the right to defy a Judge's question...others have been jailed for less in a court situation..
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why wasn't she considered in contempt right there, fined and jailed if she wouldn't answer??? I mean seriously WHAT gives her the right to defy a Judge's question...others have been jailed for less in a court situation..
Margi
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Can someone tell me what AR and HSUS stand for?
Caro
Moderator
I think that's animal rescue (AR) and Humane Society of US (HSUS).
I did think it was interesting in that news report that the judge threatened COSR would lose the $10k bond if Piper wasn't returned.
I did think it was interesting in that news report that the judge threatened COSR would lose the $10k bond if Piper wasn't returned.
Emmasmom
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Caro - the deal in the beginning was that Penny had to put up $10,000 to keep Piper - she put up $200 and the bondsman the rest. I am glad the judge said this.
good...stealing a dog should be punished
Bondsmen have no mercy and no sense of humor, she is gonna owe big time.
Margi
Premium Member
K thanks.
There is a "secret" FB group devoted to taking Piper from her owner. Bring Piper Home page asked that all folks getting nasty msgs from these people forward copies to them so Veronica's lawyer gets them! Holy Frijoles what is wrong with these supposed dog lovers??
While it is unlikely, there is still a chance Veronica could lose Piper in the trial.
K thanks.
There is a "secret" FB group devoted to taking Piper from her owner. Bring Piper Home page asked that all folks getting nasty msgs from these people forward copies to them so Veronica's lawyer gets them! Holy Frijoles what is wrong with these supposed dog lovers??
While it is unlikely, there is still a chance Veronica could lose Piper in the trial.
so if your dog is left in the care of another person and by mistake gets loose, and is found by a shelter or the local human society, and the shelter doesn't follow protocol, and turns it over to a "rescue" , who refuses to honor the info on a microchip, or return calls from the owner trying to get hold of the rescue, then it came be re-homed, because the certain rescue groups do not like breeders. And that is acceptable procedure in the state of Ohio. Ah NO, that isn't right at ALL... I could sorta understand if the sheltie was showing signs of distress, abandonment, ill treatment, but they KNEW the dog was not abused. They KNEW it must belong to someone, and if it wasn't a show quality dog, I bet this would have NEVER happened. Tragic story...the backlash that will occur if Piper doesn't stay with Veronica will be huge.
Emmasmom
Forums Sage
This is an interesting explanation of what happened in court, shown on the Animal Legal Resources Facebook page:
"Animal Legal Resources, LLC One of the factors a court must consider in issuing a temporary order is the likelihood of the success of the moving party. The court would not have ruled this way if the judge thought COSR would be successful in winning the case. When there is a temporary order like this, the other side can keep up the fight, but they are usually not going to get a different ruling unless there are some unknown facts that were not presented at the motion hearing or in previous hearings or documents filed with the court. And, those facts must be compelling to the issue of ultimate ownership and not just a claim the other side is mean to me and said nasty things. That isn't relevant to the issue of ownership. And by the way, this is the second judge that ruled Piper should be returned to her owner. The first have the bond option. This on revoked the bond option.
The facts in the written record have all of the issues spelled out so unless COSR has something the didn't have in the written documents presented at any time prior to the hearing, they are going to loose the case ultimately. And, if the court decides further motions or issues are friviolous, COSR could be responsible for the other side's attorney fees as well. Since the judge already ruled that Sanderbeck is personally responsible and can't be protected by the corporate shield, her personal property could be attached for payment of any fees and costs the court orders if that side looses.Now, that would be true justice."
I haven't seen anything that says Sanderbeck is personally responsible - that is an interesting comment to make.
"Animal Legal Resources, LLC One of the factors a court must consider in issuing a temporary order is the likelihood of the success of the moving party. The court would not have ruled this way if the judge thought COSR would be successful in winning the case. When there is a temporary order like this, the other side can keep up the fight, but they are usually not going to get a different ruling unless there are some unknown facts that were not presented at the motion hearing or in previous hearings or documents filed with the court. And, those facts must be compelling to the issue of ultimate ownership and not just a claim the other side is mean to me and said nasty things. That isn't relevant to the issue of ownership. And by the way, this is the second judge that ruled Piper should be returned to her owner. The first have the bond option. This on revoked the bond option.
The facts in the written record have all of the issues spelled out so unless COSR has something the didn't have in the written documents presented at any time prior to the hearing, they are going to loose the case ultimately. And, if the court decides further motions or issues are friviolous, COSR could be responsible for the other side's attorney fees as well. Since the judge already ruled that Sanderbeck is personally responsible and can't be protected by the corporate shield, her personal property could be attached for payment of any fees and costs the court orders if that side looses.Now, that would be true justice."
I haven't seen anything that says Sanderbeck is personally responsible - that is an interesting comment to make.
So her attorney, Bell, didn't advise her that she could be held personally responsible, in the event a Judge ruled in favor of returning Piper...hmmmmm, interesting. I am anxious to see what August brings...