PSA courtesy of Highland Piper’s Pistol

Wow....glad you were proactive and got her into the vet right away for a test! Even with our cold winters of -30+ C we can get some brief warm ups of just above freezing and that’s enough to wake up the ticks!
I had put Finnie on an anti anxiety med called Clomipramine (Clomi Calm I think is what the vet’s also call it) back in 2020 and then the pandemic hit....he’d been on it for 3 months and I saw a definite gradual improvement. It was my plan to do obedience classes and work through his issues while calming him a bit (he gets very stressed at class). With the pandemic and lockdowns I ended up tapering and stopping this medication. Now I have a broken arm so hopefully by summer I’ll be able to get him back in classes and back on the med. There was a definite improvement with very few side effects.
 
The best advice I can give you that I, and my vets, follow is if there's any doubt Lyme is present, treat with doxycycline for at least three weeks, even if the titer is low. There are very few if any side effects (we've given it to dogs, horses and people and never had a single one) The veterinary opinion around here where Lyme is as common as ants is it can't hurt and it might help. One summer we actually kept Barkley on it all summer long as a prophylactic.

The only caution if you haven't used doxy before is don't feed dairy products while you're using it. No yogurt, cheese, etc. The calcium makes the doxy less effective.
 
The best advice I can give you that I, and my vets, follow is if there's any doubt Lyme is present, treat with doxycycline for at least three weeks, even if the titer is low. There are very few if any side effects (we've given it to dogs, horses and people and never had a single one) The veterinary opinion around here where Lyme is as common as ants is it can't hurt and it might help. One summer we actually kept Barkley on it all summer long as a prophylactic.

The only caution if you haven't used doxy before is don't feed dairy products while you're using it. No yogurt, cheese, etc. The calcium makes the doxy less effective.

Thank you! I personally hope I never get Lyme disease for the obvious reason but also because I got horribly sick from doxycycline.

From my understanding of what I have read, I am inclined to agree with you and your vet on treating even if the titer is low. Just because if it’s ability to hide out.

I am much less stressed now. I was especially concerned because she’s just a puppy.

Lyme and ticks are both rampant around here.
 
Wow....glad you were proactive and got her into the vet right away for a test! Even with our cold winters of -30+ C we can get some brief warm ups of just above freezing and that’s enough to wake up the ticks!
I had put Finnie on an anti anxiety med called Clomipramine (Clomi Calm I think is what the vet’s also call it) back in 2020 and then the pandemic hit....he’d been on it for 3 months and I saw a definite gradual improvement. It was my plan to do obedience classes and work through his issues while calming him a bit (he gets very stressed at class). With the pandemic and lockdowns I ended up tapering and stopping this medication. Now I have a broken arm so hopefully by summer I’ll be able to get him back in classes and back on the med. There was a definite improvement with very few side effects.
I wish I could say I took her for that test but it was about the last thing I was even thinking about.

I can tell her clonidine is worn or at least wearing off, she’s having meltdowns over nothing again. I wonder if it’s similar to the Clomi-calm. She’s just big enough that I could get it filled at the people pharmacy.

She gets stressed in class too. Even though she likes doing tricks. It took her six weeks to even warm up to her classmates to even move toward them during play time. Her body language is super obvious and they were VERY respectful of it but she still worried.
 
Good for you for thinking outside the box with Piper and intervening for her! Sorry she has Lyme's but maybe once it is addressed and resolved you will see additional improvement. Our vet does a 30 days treatment of doxy. We dealt with Lyme's in Brodie last year. I too was shocked, don't hold your breath on them covering treatment but it's a bonus if they do. The vaccine helps, but does not prevent Lyme's. Ticks are active all year long, folks get comfortable in the winter but they are out there!

We used to do once a month hikes with a group I just love over in NYS pre Deacon days, but Brodie and I went once and as I gave him water after I noticed what I thought was a flea - hadn't seen one in YEARS and was floored! Sure enough, Brodie had picked up ticks and fleas on our hike - I am SOOOO allergic to flea bites. I used a lint roller and packed him up. As I am driving down the road I look down to see ticks on my jeans. I am SCEEVING at this point. I stop, lint roller me, Brodie, and drive as quick as possible to the nearest Walmart where I buy a flea comb, white towels and some topical. I doused my clothes, loaded Brodie into the back of my Yukon and on top of white towels, treated him in the back of their parking lot. I called my son warning him, stripped in our garage leaving my clothes in a garbage bag he left for me and ra upstairs in a towel, Brodie in my arms and washed us both in the bathtub. I have never returned to that park!

Do find out what Lyme's panel your vet uses. They used to do a series of tests which have been replaced with some new panels - sounds like what your vet is using but do read up and ask. Cornell has a Lyme's test panel and you also want full testing of ALL tick related diseases. Brodie started out 'depressed', then started a limp which, if I had not been on SN, I probably would have simply rested him until he got 'better' in my eyes. Minnie had recently been treated for Lyme's - first seen by Karen as a limp and I do believe there were others as well. Brodie tested negative first go round and we rested and all, but I was on high alert because of things I had read here. I did get Brodie assessed and treated by Ann's AWESOME chiropractor when we had a worse bout about a month later while we awaited results of another Lyme's work up but she too felt it was Lyme's. Be aware, Brodie ended up with both oxalate and once we cleared those up struvite crystals in his urine. I felt that him holding it for so long was the issue with these starting. I used Thomas Vets Cal Ox and to be honest, I don't remember if it was 1 bottle of 60 'treats' or 2 bottles, but I have 21 'treats' left. I gave him one nightly as a bedtime treat. My vets had never heard of them but were amazed - both crystals cleared up and our February pee re-check shows they remain gone. I use a plastic chicken treat feeder to collect urine. It's orange, about 24 - 30 inches long, has a 3-ish inch long tray that normally you'd stick out to give chickens treats so they don't nip you, but I sneak it in under the flow once it starts and collect urine. My local Agway has them currently at 1.00 - normally priced at 9.99 - ours was a gift.
 
Good for you for thinking outside the box with Piper and intervening for her! Sorry she has Lyme's but maybe once it is addressed and resolved you will see additional improvement. Our vet does a 30 days treatment of doxy. We dealt with Lyme's in Brodie last year. I too was shocked, don't hold your breath on them covering treatment but it's a bonus if they do. The vaccine helps, but does not prevent Lyme's. Ticks are active all year long, folks get comfortable in the winter but they are out there!

We used to do once a month hikes with a group I just love over in NYS pre Deacon days, but Brodie and I went once and as I gave him water after I noticed what I thought was a flea - hadn't seen one in YEARS and was floored! Sure enough, Brodie had picked up ticks and fleas on our hike - I am SOOOO allergic to flea bites. I used a lint roller and packed him up. As I am driving down the road I look down to see ticks on my jeans. I am SCEEVING at this point. I stop, lint roller me, Brodie, and drive as quick as possible to the nearest Walmart where I buy a flea comb, white towels and some topical. I doused my clothes, loaded Brodie into the back of my Yukon and on top of white towels, treated him in the back of their parking lot. I called my son warning him, stripped in our garage leaving my clothes in a garbage bag he left for me and ra upstairs in a towel, Brodie in my arms and washed us both in the bathtub. I have never returned to that park!

Do find out what Lyme's panel your vet uses. They used to do a series of tests which have been replaced with some new panels - sounds like what your vet is using but do read up and ask. Cornell has a Lyme's test panel and you also want full testing of ALL tick related diseases. Brodie started out 'depressed', then started a limp which, if I had not been on SN, I probably would have simply rested him until he got 'better' in my eyes. Minnie had recently been treated for Lyme's - first seen by Karen as a limp and I do believe there were others as well. Brodie tested negative first go round and we rested and all, but I was on high alert because of things I had read here. I did get Brodie assessed and treated by Ann's AWESOME chiropractor when we had a worse bout about a month later while we awaited results of another Lyme's work up but she too felt it was Lyme's. Be aware, Brodie ended up with both oxalate and once we cleared those up struvite crystals in his urine. I felt that him holding it for so long was the issue with these starting. I used Thomas Vets Cal Ox and to be honest, I don't remember if it was 1 bottle of 60 'treats' or 2 bottles, but I have 21 'treats' left. I gave him one nightly as a bedtime treat. My vets had never heard of them but were amazed - both crystals cleared up and our February pee re-check shows they remain gone. I use a plastic chicken treat feeder to collect urine. It's orange, about 24 - 30 inches long, has a 3-ish inch long tray that normally you'd stick out to give chickens treats so they don't nip you, but I sneak it in under the flow once it starts and collect urine. My local Agway has them currently at 1.00 - normally priced at 9.99 - ours was a gift.
I have an appointment for Roxy in a couple of weeks. I want her tested as well. And it’s funny that you mentioned Brodie holding it so much. What was the cause of that? Roxy has been doing that lately. I need to talk to the doctor about that too.

I’m not sure about Piper’s panel… Q6 something or other I think. Our doctor and clinic had a particular way of ringing charges up when the company is being billed so she sounded pretty confident that it would be covered. But I guess time will tell.

I know it’s only Monday but I want her test results back now.

They ended up doing the cysto on Piper the other day. It was fast and a lot less stressful than chasing around an anxious dog with a cup.

I can tell the difference with the Xanax already. It’s crazy. We’ve started working on simple things. She actually watched the vacuum without running around frantically and barking the other day.

I like your lint roller idea. I’ll have to try that. That people still don’t realize anytime it warms up these things become active blows my mind.
 
And it’s funny that you mentioned Brodie holding it so much. What was the cause of that? Roxy has been doing that lately.

No doc here and certainly no expert, but looking back I think it was the first sign of anything wrong. I have NO clue when he got bit. But his first visit to the doc was too early to test positive for Lyme's - he was negative - Lyme's take 4 - 6 weeks I think to show up on a panel. He has always held his urine for insane numbers of hours, but when sick, it was really noticeable. Then he got noticeably down, then the limp appeared. He tested negative, we rested him, but he was still 'off'. When he finally started limping again, go to bed seemingly fine but won't come out of the kennel cuz there's a full blown limp, he was going HOURS without going. I sent video of him to Ann - it was sooo very sad to see our boy like that. He didn't pop a temp until the day after or the day of him testing positive on the Multiplex test. I personally think that his whole body must have been achy, icky, and maybe he just didn't want to move around as much. I try to get him to pee more often now. Sometimes it takes forever, he really has his own mindset about going pee. He can go all night, get him outside and he'd rather play fetch than pee right away. He is not a marker, so doesn't busy himself that way on walks, he does lift his leg (took about 2 years) but he does a squat, then the leg comes up slowly o he doesn't lift on anything. Life would be a tad easier if he had just a tad of interest in marking....

Happy to hear you are seeing such great results right away. You might be able to lower your medication for her once you clear up the Lyme's.

The chicken treat feeder I use for urine collection is here. Hubby's friend who gave it to us would die if he knew what I actually use it for! Amazon has it at a ridiculous price of 18.96, our local Agway had them marked at 9.99 but on sale for 1.00. They are AWESOME pee catcher's - lol!!!

https://www.amazon.com/Unipet-Usa-0...493&sprefix=hentastic+chicken+,aps,75&sr=8-13
 
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