Rescue Sheltie or a Breeder Sheltie? Pros and cons??

Rescue dogs have been through a lot so I think they deserve for us to be honest about what we can handle so they do not have to be re-homed ever again.

Eva, you are so right! I wish everyone did as you did and were 100% honest in what they felt comfortable coping with. It would save many little rescues from "failing" and having to go through the trauma of losing yet another home...every "failure" is an emotional setback for them. :(

Trini
 
Wonderful input -- my compliments to the responders. Here's my take.

What we're talking here is odds. When you get a puppy from a well-respected breeder, you tend have better odds -- better, not perfect -- of knowing what you're getting both temperment-wise and health-wise. A well-respected breeder has the history of many of his or her Shelties going back many generations -- often back to the early 1900s. However, such breeders rarely know in detail the history of every single puppy they have ever bred because they've not kept and monitored every single one. The best I know in this area of watching her Shelties' pups doesn't know all of them -- there's just no way!

So, it does happen even in the finest lines that the genetic dice sometimes "crap out" on you. For example, Bitsy Boodle, possessed of a sweet and cheerful temperament (unless food is involved, whereupon she becomes The Intimidator), has a better pedigree than Queen Elizabeth and tested clear on every puppy test available in 2006 -- yet she developed early onset arthritis in her hips and has a liver enzyme deficiency. So despite the finest bloodlines, unanticipated health problems emerged.

Colonel Underpants is the sole offspring from the mating of the #1 ranked U.S. male Shetland Sheepdog (total points) of 2005 (and, maybe 2006 and 2007 -- not to mention his achievements in Japan and Canada), and the #1 ranked female of 2007. His temperament is sweet and gentle with his family, suspicious and anxious with strange humans, and fear-aggressive with other dogs. This year he was diagnosed with a genetic neuromuscular condition that had never in history been reported in any breed outside of Whippets and Greyhounds. This boy has baffled the best canine geneticists in the world -- yes, the world. Who'd a'thunk?

Layla came from the same breeder. She and Colonel Underpants have the same dam, and his sire is Layla's great-grandsire. Layla's sire, owned by one of the top Sheltie handlers in the country, is also a champion whose offspring read like a Who's Who of Sheltiedom. To date, Layla has never been sick, never been to the vet for anything beyond her spay in 2006 and her shots. Her temperament is beyond compare -- she's known at Walter Reed as The Stepford Dog because she is too perfect to be real.

So from one highly respected and successful breeder, we have three different stories.

Now comes Annie Laurie, our rescue girl. Annie came from a backyard breeder. Her dam was Mary, and her sire was Nacho Midnight Cowboy. Please note the absence of "Champion" with either. She was not physically abused to our knowledge, but she was kept either outdoors or in a garage, and was apparently sometimes yelled at and called "stupid." She came to us at age five leery of men and snappish with children. She fell in love with DH within 10 days and is convinced that the universe revolves around him. The feeling is reciprocated by DH. Annie Laurie is also the smartest of the bunch by a wide margin. Outside of some age-related arthritis, Annie, now 11, has been remarkably healthy. She is built like a cross between a credenza and a Sherman tank, would eat nails of she could digest them, and loves the world. The world loves her right back.

So you see, sometimes the odds are "ever in your favor" and sometimes they're not. Respected breeders will always take back a dog (note: not always for a refund) -- in fact, the best breeders specify this in the sales contract. Many rescues have the same policy.

So what does it come down to? Ever been to Las Vegas? I recommend you pick your best game, play what you can afford, and laissez le bon temps rouler!
 
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Absolutely agree with Chris. Excellent post!

Not every dog that comes from a reputable breeder is going to have the perfect temperament and no health issues. Just like not every dog in a rescue is damaged, has behavioral problems and won't be healthy. Your odds of having a healthy dog with a great disposition are better if you go to a really reputable breeder, who does health and temperament testing on his/her dogs and matches up his/her puppies to the right home. But like Chris stated, those are just odds. There's still a chance you could have issues with a dog from the best breeder in the world and there's still a chance you can find your perfect dog in a rescue. Anything can happen with a living creature... genetics, biology, personality, experience, training, food, medical care, etc. will all shape how your dog turns out.
 
That is hilarious Chris! (In a serious and true kind of way).

I could rewrite that post with a couple of the Himi breeders I used to show cats with. In fact, my own boy's brother was the little lemon (one descended teste, polycystic kidney, dying early) despite being a national winner twice in kitten and alter classes. Mine, the little tank, personality to die for, a little less successful in the ring but respectable, dodged every bullet to live til 15. However, I have some oops cats born under a mobile home off the next mountain over that beat them all in health and temperament.

Yep, it is about odds. If you choose your breeder wisely, you up your chances of all the bullets being removed from the guns over generations. Nature can do the same by chance. Or it is the other way around and either pistol can come fully or partially loaded.

I think working dogs that are meant to work have a better instinct for it with breeders and lineage (such as working border collies being prime example) and pets, well, there are such giving souls needing homes that saving them is a wonderful thing. The key is to do the most with what you get and make sure you and the little ones in your care have the best lives for their whole lives.
 
Absolutely agree with Chris. Excellent post!

Not every dog that comes from a reputable breeder is going to have the perfect temperament and no health issues. Just like not every dog in a rescue is damaged, has behavioral problems and won't be healthy. Your odds of having a healthy dog with a great disposition are better if you go to a really reputable breeder, who does health and temperament testing on his/her dogs and matches up his/her puppies to the right home. But like Chris stated, those are just odds. There's still a chance you could have issues with a dog from the best breeder in the world and there's still a chance you can find your perfect dog in a rescue. Anything can happen with a living creature... genetics, biology, personality, experience, training, food, medical care, etc. will all shape how your dog turns out.

Me too. There should be a love button for really great post like Chris's.

In terms of pets, my best luck has been with 2 mongrel cats. The first one was the runt of a litter I talked my mom into letting me hand feed when I was only six. Counne lived to 18, was never spayed or saw a vet, ate table scraps, was not an indoor cat unless she felt like it. ( All things I would never consider doing now - but that was how pets were kept in the country when I was growing up). The second cat was a polydactyl (7 toed - those were huge mitts) Main Coon look-alike that we adopted from the Dallas SPCA. Patches was a total sweetheart who was well loved by all my friends & family, he loved to give hugs by wrapping his paws around your neck and squeezing, my kids pretty much grew up with him and he was nothing short of amazing. Died at the age of 15 after a very healthy /happy life. He's one of those epic pets who make an indelible impression on your family. Never to be forgotten.

Registered rag doll from a reputable breeder - absolutely beautiful, weird ( but what cat isn't), super thin, picky eater who died unexpectedly ( although I did have him checked out several times because he was bone thin, but the tests always came back healthy) at the age of 7. My heart sheltie ( Blue) again from a breeder with over 25 years experience died suddenly at the age of 8 with absolutely no prior health issues.

I want Hanna to bethe next one to break longevity records.


PS: If I ever have another cat it will absolutely be a rescue. My next sheltie will be likely be registered and likely not be a puppy, but I'm not ruling out rescues.
 
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You really take a big chance going to a shelter and getting a dog. You really have no idea what you are getting, and most dogs act a lot differently in a shelter environment than in a home enviroment.

If you go through a good rescue, and the dog has been in foster care for a period of time, they will have a good idea of the dog's personality and issues, both medical and behavioral. Very few puppies or very young dogs are in rescue. Most are older and are who they are. None of them are perfect ; otherwise they would not be in a rescue. What you need to do is find one with issues that you know you can deal with. Be honest with yourself - if the rescue says the dog is high-energy and needs a lot of exercise, are you willing to walk that dog or play ball with him/her for a while on a very regular basis ? If the rescue thinks the dog needs obedience training, are you willing to sign up for that class and go every week ? It doesn't make you a bad person if you decide a dog is not for you. You do have to know your limits. Rescue dogs can be a lot of work, but seeing them blossom in a loving home is priceless.

On the other hand, there is no rock solid guarantee getting a puppy from a breeder, either. You do have a pretty good idea that the dog will not have any genetic or temperament issues, but it can still happen. Also puppies are still developing their personality. And if you don't put the time into training a puppy, behavioral issues can develop. You are still taking a chance, although it is less of a chance than with a rescue dog.

Whatever your choice, do your homework. Bringing a dog into your home is a 10 -15 year commitment, more or less.
 
With the rescue that I am involved with, many of the dogs are rehomes. They often range in age between 5 and 10 and for one reason or another, they need our assistance in placing them. Sadly, most of them have to be neutered/spayed and usually dental work which we do as soon as they are capable of having it done. Living in a foster situation, they are assessed for reactions to cats, children, men and woman, their environment, grooming etc. so that we can best place them with an appropriate adopter. However, just like in a puppy you raise from 8 weeks, traits might emerge once the dog is comfortable in it's surroundings. If it becomes more than the adopter can handle, we will send in assistance or just take it back to be worked with by an experienced foster parent. Seldom does an issue crop up but it does happen.
Usually, puppies have several pre screened adoptive homes waiting. Generally they come from backyard breeders or mills so we don't have much info on them. We do eye and hearing tests when warranted. Often, when it's a young adult, the reason they come to us is because the previous caretakers couldn't handle the training and exercise needs of a young sheltie. The last one was deemed untrainable by it's surrendering caretaker. We sent it to be fostered by one of our members that owns and operates a training facility. There was nothing wrong with the dog at all, just young and wild which was overcome by a structured lifestyle, lots of exercise and good teaching.
Good breeders will do their utmost to try to sell a healthy, sound minded pup but when dealing with genetics, it sometimes remains a crap shoot. This is when the guarantee is really important! Make sure those babies are being socialized, living in the hub of the breeder's home and that you look past a winning show record to health records. The breeder should be invested in the life of the dog, not just a couple of years of it's life.
Tinsel is not the poster child for why you should adopt from a rescue. His myriad of problems have been time consuming and expensive. Because he was diagnosed with lameness issues right from the start, he wouldn't be covered by any pet insurance for this. The records from HSI were incorrect in that he was written up as having surgery for stones - turns out it was the other blue merle stud dog but it is on record that he was the one. Hence, insurance wouldn't have covered that either if he does, in future, have this health issue. The answer to the question of whether we would adopt a rescue again is yes and I was a long time breeder of two breeds other than shelties.
 
I forgot to add that I am also looking for a new sheltie. My last rescue dog passed away a few weeks ago, and my young sheltie seems to miss having another dog around.

I've had 2 rescue and have one from a good breeder, and I've loved every one of them. My young dog is from a good breeder, and he is everything a good sheltie should be - smart, sweet, handsome, and oh so willling to please. He has the best temperament and loves the neighborhood children. My rescues had baggage, but they were able to get past many of the issues. They had their quirks, and that was okay. It is so rewarding to open your home and your heart to a dog like that.
 
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