Traveling crate or harness? Please help..

I think crates in the car are fantastic. They allow the dog to settle and nap. No one can see your dog, and I think that is a good thing.
After class, it allows your pup to really stretch out and get that deep rest he needs after the stimulation of noise and training.

I travel with up to 10 dogs, all crated in my van. When traveling for dog shows, we stop for meals. I try to park where I can see the van. I have very good ventilation, and if it is too warm, we just do drive thru meals, until we can get to the hotel and unload.

All the dogs travel between Connecticut and Maine, crated. I only have room for my items in the space where there aren't any stacked crates.

I would NEVER travel with a dog not crated, even around town.
 
Are you kidding me? How can you control the temperature in your car when you are not there? If I have my car parked in a parking lot in the middle of winter, with the sun shining it can easily get above 25 C inside the car even when its 0 C outside.

I can't believe, Cobinam, that you would defend leaving your dog in the car, ever, for longer than a few minutes!

Cripes, bring your dog home and then go out!

Overreact much? Wow. I crated out of my car at an agility trial yesterday. I cracked the windows so the car wouldn't smell like wet dog, and they spent all day chilling in the car. It was 50 degrees and raining.

Your vehicle may go from freezing to 90 degrees just from sunlight, but Ive never seen that happen. I'm very heat sensitive, so I think I'd notice that.

I have 36" wire crates in my car, and the dogs are just fine.
 
id go with crating..personally im saving for my next crate for the car..its pretty much indestructible...I have the regular airline plastic ones, I have an older one which I LOVE and cant get my hands on anymore and a newer rounded top plastic one which Im ready to throw out since the plastic somehow got twisted and it doesnt seem secure enough for me. The door keeps popping, heck when I went to NYC I dont know what happened to my car when I handed my keys to the valet:uhoh:, but when I got back in my car to come home the crate door was inside the crate...WTF?!?! Did they do to my car?!?!!!!

I like the straps too since usually when im local or only have one or 2 dogs with me I sit their crates on the seat wedged between the arm rest and door so it doesnt slide off....I like the bit of security though actually buckling them in!!!:lol:
 
I am leaning towards purchasing another crate.. does anyone have any input on the smaller size I was considering? 24Lx18Wx19H I think. I know shelties size varies so much so it's probably hard to say. It says on the website that it should fit a dog up to 25 pounds but 24 feet long seems so short!

Right now I think I'm going to order another crate to stay in the car, for the normal shopping, training classes, errands, and then also purchase a harness, when he's grown, for longer trips (10+ hours) because I think it would be quite cramped in my car with our luggage, camping gear, crate, people!, etc. Maybe what I really need is a new SUV to replace my little car :biggrin2: Thank you for your input.

Ha... this is pretty much exactly what we did!

We started out doing just what you're doing, lugging the dog's crate into and out of the little car (in our case, a '91 Sentra, with only 2 doors). We did this on a daily basis, since we walk the dog at a park nearby. So, we decided to get a second crate to just stay in the car. We didn't get a wire crate this time, though. We got a collapsible travel crate. Well, if I had to do it again, I'd probably get a wire crate, simply because I'm pretty certain that the collapsible travel crate would not be any better in a crash than if the dog was just loose in the car.

The travel crate was a bit smaller than his wire crate (his wire crate was the same dimensions you're currently using, the travel crate was about the same as the smaller one you're considering), and it was just fine. All he did was sleep in his crate while in the car, and it was still big enough for him to do that. So, you might be just fine with that smaller crate.

You're right, it's very hard to know how big they're going to end up. Lerwick started out a bit small, and ended up oversize. He actually got too tall for that 30" wire crate, so we got him a 36" for here at home. That said, we still use the travel crate when we travel with the dog, because he still has plenty of room in it to lie down and stretch out, and he is never in it for long.

We also tried two different harness restraint systems. They're fine for those short 10 minute drives to the park, but not good for long trips. The first one (http://www.kurgostore.com/big-gear-sale/tru-fit-smart-harness-seatbelt-loop/) was so restrictive, Lerwick couldn't even lie on the seat. Just had to sit bolt upright. We never even tried that one for a long trip. The second (http://www.kurgostore.com/dog-travel/kurgo-auto-zip-line-leash-zip-line-combo/) wasn't restrictive enough. In our little Sentra, we had to set it up as you see pictured in the second photo, and in order to have the leash long enough that he could actually lie on the seat, it was also long enough that he could jump onto my lap in the front seat! He was just all over the car, and usually ended up cowering behind the driver's seat on the floor. :hide

So, if you're thinking of getting a second crate for short trips, and a harness restraint system for longer trips, I'd actually recommend you skip the harness and just stick with the crate for all trips.

Or, you know, do what we eventually did... bypass all the make-do solutions and buy the dog an SUV (or in our case, a Subaru Impreza wagon), install a pet barrier behind the backseat, and turn the cargo area into a big crate for the dog! :rolleyes2:

We call our cargo area/crate "Lerwick Land." :cool:

It is QUITE a bit more expensive than either a second crate or a harness he might outgrow... but it's effective!
 
Overreact much? Wow. I crated out of my car at an agility trial yesterday. I cracked the windows so the car wouldn't smell like wet dog, and they spent all day chilling in the car. It was 50 degrees and raining.

Your vehicle may go from freezing to 90 degrees just from sunlight, but Ive never seen that happen. I'm very heat sensitive, so I think I'd notice that.

I have 36" wire crates in my car, and the dogs are just fine.

Agreed. If we're away for a weekend at a show, I can't just go home to drop the dogs off. And you aren't allowed to leave them at the show site or at the hotel by themselves. I crate out of the car when we go to a restaurant. I'll be doing that this Saturday for that matter ;)
 
I love crates for the car too. But I admit I bought my car to fit the car crates, LOL. I have a Nissan Rogue that very nicely fits two of the airline Veri-kennels in the back and still leaves me the back seat free. The dogs are safe and happy in their crates, whether we're going to the vet, a show, or stopping to eat on the road. I can also easily secure one crate with bungee cords if I'm only traveling with one.

It's very easy to gauge the car temp based on the weather and park accordingly, and we are never out of sight of the car. I think the dogs are much safer this way, and more comfortable in their crates than bouncing around the car barking!
 
So what type of crate is better/safer for car travel? A wire crate or a plastic one? I think I could fit a plastic on in the back seat of my car easier ( I drive a corolla), but a wire crate has the benefit of folding up if I wanted to put it in my trunk.
 
So what type of crate is better/safer for car travel? A wire crate or a plastic one?

I'd definitely say plastic. The dog has more protection on impact (wire crates, especially folding, portable ones, tend to be flimsy), and the dog can't be seen when the car is parked.
 
So what type of crate is better/safer for car travel? A wire crate or a plastic one? I think I could fit a plastic on in the back seat of my car easier ( I drive a corolla), but a wire crate has the benefit of folding up if I wanted to put it in my trunk.

Honestly, there's a lot of debate about this. I've seen reviews (studies? can't remember) that have tested both, with varying results.

Some people say that wire is safer because it is less likely to break and a bit sturdier. It takes more force to break a wire crate than a plastic one. The con, however, is that when it does break it can be dangerous to your dog.
 
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