Very disappointing puppy class

Boy oh boy, get the photo taken down - like they can take credit for his good training!
I know! I will write to the head office, no point just going to the store, besides its a nationwide scheme. I wish I could believe it will do any good *sigh*, these big businesses don't really care about the dogs, money is more important and probably the people in charge have no idea how a proper puppy class should be run. I personally would like to see dog training better regulated by the KC, I can see that things will go that way.

PreciousSheltie, that is such a shame. Trouble is when people go to these classes and their dog is distracted or doesn't get the exercise instantly they start to think they have a 'stupid' pup or a 'disobedient' one. I spent part of last Thursday comforting the rottie pup owner who was so impressed with Merlin and so disappointed with the rottie's performance. No one had bothered to explain that pups learn at different rates and that shelties are bred to be focused on their person, where as rotties have a more independent streak. There is nothing wrong with her pup, just a different temperament and she was being pushed on too fast. :no:
 
Agreed, one of the other owners whispered to the other owners when the trainer was trying to get every dog at the front doing recalls 10 minutes in and perfect heeling...?! The lady was like... um what the? If we knew how to do heel, clearly we wouldn't be in this class now would we. And we were all confused as to why she was making us do them - - Once again, luckily I was only there for socialization but some of the owners were brand new and were feeling very poorly about themselves and their dogs (obviously distressed) dog for not 'doing well on their first class'.

I understand any one can be a trainer and that most of us learn by ourselves and all have our own training styles. But I think over all the methods, common sense should kick in on what to do and what not to expect on the first day. I just didn't see any point of, like how you said, "this is what it should NOT LOOK LIKE".... why are you even showing us that? Why can't we just move on from where we are at right now or tell us where to go from here rather than waste our time seeing what we know some people might have a problem with.... anyways hahahaha that's my rant, I have another class coming up, Precious better be allowed to play with the other dogs this time or I'll get very angry because it doesn't make a good training environment for her if she can't even get the first 5 minutes to sniff everyone around. Best of luck with you as well!
 
Sophie, I agree with everyone else, get Merlin's picture taken down; they are NOT the ones who made him the "star" of the class. Its false advertising. Send a letter to corporate voicing your concern over the class and, particularly, that an incredibly young and inexperienced dog owner is teaching. Some companies really do care and want to hear about things like this. Hopefully this is one of them.

PreciousSheltie, I'm sorry you are having a bad experience as well; especially with a place you've had success with in the past. If I read your second post correctly, some of the owners witnessed this so hopefully things will change for the better.

I do feel bad for dog owners who try to do the right thing but socializing and training their dog but have bad experiences. No one likes to be set up to fail or even feel like a failure. All it does is discourage the owner with the end result being yet another out of control dog.

I teach our Introduction to Agility class. I knew when I started training that different breeds learn at different paces and the same is true of people. What I've also learned is different dogs within the same breed also learn at different paces. High energy dogs need a different approach than a more laid back dog. Experience helps you adjust to those situations. Thankfully I have other around me who I can ask for advice and hep when I need it.

Good luck to both of you if you choose to continue in these classes. It sounds like you are going to need it.
 
PreciousSheltie, I hope the next class is better for you. I have to say my own club's puppy class is fab. We started last Saturday and the first 15mins was discussing methods, how dogs learn, etc. My trainer even tells people "if you aren't happy with the class tell me and don't feel obliged to keep coming or follow these methods."

We worked on basics like 'watch me' 'down' 'follow my hand' and basic 'leave' command. We also got a cup of tea! Pure luxury!:lol:

Silaria, I wish more people who did training were like you and recognised that dogs are like people, all different. I mean Merlin is a very self-confident sheltie, he might give the appearance all are like that, but we all know some aren't. Just like I met a morbidly shy lab pup the other day, all dogs are individuals.
 
here is US you do not need a degree or any certification to announce yourself dog trainer or open doggie daycare facility. Going with chain stores is just that, do you really expect good food from McDonald's? Although I would have loved if store did it after hours with closed doors- wow, opportunities for games are almost endless...:smile2:
Other than that I would not do it even for socialization purposes. Puppy classes that we took with Che and Leo were with trainers I knew or had references on, even in a big city as Chicago, once you know people from " inner doggy circle" there is no secrets. Leo has 3 puppy classes, one was started as competitive heeling, second was basic obedience and third was behavioral obedience, each gave us something else to work with and we benefited from them...
re complaining, hmm I do not know, I would just walk away from it but then again I am not confrontational person. I did have one beginner agility class where I got lots of personal attention for wrong reasons and which made me literally cry but it was a lesson and I learned from it.
So that's would be my suggestion- learn from it, take the best you were able to learn/ observe, reject all shells and go on with trainers you feel comfortable...
 
My worst puppy class experience was the first week we got Buffy. She was a tiny puppy - just over 3 pounds - and I took her to "puppy socialization" at the doggie daycare place a few blocks away.

Not only did the trainer take the entire time to lecture me about stuff I already knew, there was only one other dog there, which bit Buffy, tackled her, and made her squeal and limp around for the rest of the hour. This from a puppy that had barely uttered a peep the entire first week we had her home because she was so terrified.

I was annoyed, but my husband was straight-out angry. We sat through the rest of the hour listening to the stupid lady talk about stuff she didn't understand, and then later that day signed up for a place my friend had recommended. I never looked back.
 
Sca had a big box class here in the states (Petsmart) and the girl that put it on rocked! Not perfect but worth the $$$ and Sca got to see all the puppies though he was the giant in class. Whenever we went by she always had to see Sca and remembered his name and everything. Sadly for Sca she left, though good for her as she married someone in the service and moved to his new assignment location.
 
Zoey and Newton will be starting their obedience classes (Zoey tonight, Newton on 4/12)...but the FIRST class was MINE..last night. The Companion Obedience school requires a 90 minute orientation for the HUMANS first; as well as review of vet records, paperwork, etc BEFORE your dog ever sets foot there. I liked that quite a bit.

Now we'll see how Zoey's first class goes...as she is too tiny for their required collars and leashes. :uhoh::biggrin2:
 
Definitely write a letter, just as you explained it here...
Then I would leave it, because I always feel like I need to at least say my piece.. and I leave it at that afterward.
They don't have to agree, but at least I would make an attempt to tell them of the experience and that you wouldn't be back as a customer and I would so ask to have Merlin's pic taken down because you don't feel you can endorse them any longer after this experience...
 
I most definitely would write a letter and demand a refund. I would also not bring Merlin back, as you do not want to do anything that could scare him or turn him off. Shelties are so vulnerable at that young age.

I absolutely agree, 100%. I've taken pupply classes and basic obedience classes at Petsmart a few times and for the average person they were just fine. They weren't anything like what you described, I can't tell you how horrified I am. Run away and run fast. Don't as, DEMAND your money back! Many of the things you mentioned are completely unacceptable not only for young puppies, but any dog class.

Here's what I think about your comments, compared with my experience at a similar big box store training class:

1) Trainer was one of the staff, all of 20 yrs old, has only owned a dog 6 months, has no qualifications or experience at all.

Definitely a big 'X' in my opinion too. The trainers at Petsmart had training certificates and a few years training.

2) On arrival all pups are expected to go in an x-pen to 'socialise'. As you can imagine this pen is tiny and pups have no room to get away from one another if needs be. First week there was only a chihuahua so I let Merlin go in. Second week there was a very big and bouncy lab pup (utterly gorgeous :wink: ) He pretty much filled the pen by himself, Merlin was completely happy with him as he 'gets' labs, but another pup could be intimidated and scared. Not a good thing for socialisation.

Another big X. The puppies in the Petsmart puppy class socialized at the end of class when they weren't as excited and full of energy so less chance of hurting each other. They were also closely monitored and weren't all put together at the same time. Pups were matched up according to size weight and temperament to avoid bad experiences, it wasn't just a free for all.

3) When trainer discovered Merlin did not pull on the lead, he wanted to set him up in a situation that would cause him to pull so he could show me how to correct it. I politely refused.

Not unheard of. My trainer often does this so we can learn how to correct them. But keep in mind that my trainer uses strictly positive re-enforcement, so their rewarded for the correction (I can explain more if you want to PM me). If you were uncomfortable with what the person wanted to do with Merlin then you were right to say no. Good for you!

4) First 1hr+ session was entirely devoted to recall training! Not only was it monotonous for owners, but incredibly tiring for the pups. I again withdrew Merlin when I felt he was getting too tired from the exercises. (By this point I was getting a little unpopular :wink: )

MUCH too long for puppies, again, good job following your instincts. :yes:

5) The sessions were far too long, expected too much, didn't take account of the pups' ages and didn't allow breaks for rest.

An hour is often too long for a puppy, let along more than an hour. Sadie and Ginny couldn't train for more than 45 min. and never for 5-10 minutes at a time, so they got lots of breaks.

6) I was told there would be clicker training. I brought my clicker and have be using it from the start. On the second session the 'trainer' appeared and asked me how I used the clicker. A bit stunned, I explained, he stated;
"That's not how I use it. My dog sits when I click it."
So he used it as a command, rather than a reinforcement marker :? What a waste of a clicker. He then wanted to try it on a rottie pup. I loaned him my spare clicker and off he went. I listened to him for a while, after 2 or 3 minutes he returned and gave it back.
"Didn't work." He stated - no of course not he hadn't primed it or anything!

I'm lost for words on this one. I can tell you I was in a similar problem with a calculus teacher when I was taking night school in college. I actually had to tell the teacher how to do a problem, because he couldn't. And I am NOT overly good at math. Myself as well as someone else put in complaints and had the teacher removed.

7) A serious concern was that the shop is open at all times during the lessons and pups are loose in the store. I did not know this at the start and thought the shop would be shut (The lessons are 6.30pm). The lab pup nearly escaped out the doors and into the busy car park!

WOW! That is terrible! Our classes were always closed off.

8) Pups are forced to progress too fast. I feel partially responsible as I have done some pre-training with Merlin so he looks good, especially at hide and seek recalls. The trainer then moved dogs onto hide-and-seek with distractions, fine for Merlin, but the rottie pup hadn't mastered a basic recall so this was of course a failure. Pups were effectively being set up to fail through inexperience.

Thats what I thought. Recalls are usually something you learn toward the end of the course when they've mastered more basic skills like sit, lie down, manners, leash training, etc. Just these things take approx. 6 weeks! Hide and seek is too much for a first class, let alone with distractions!

9) By the second session owners were asking me how to train their dogs because I appeared more knowledgeable than the trainer, particularly when it came to the clicker!

Sounds like my calculus class!

10) Sadly pups with behavioral issues where being brought to the classes and serious damage could be caused by the inexperienced and ignorant handling they were receiving.

Yup

So do I complain? - Do you really need to ask after making all of those negative points? :smile2:
 
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