Very disappointing puppy class

As part of Merlin's socialising I signed up with various puppy classes, including my vets local puppy party and my own training club's course. Somehow I was also persuaded to join with the 'Big Pet Store chain' puppy classes, a 4 week course.

Unfortunately these people get more training on how to close the deal than how to train dogs. I can speak from experience here. I was so unhappy with the training I received I paid and enrolled myself in a training program through a different company, just to learn what to actually do.

Ok, so I did not expect great things, but I was more than disappointed. I have discussed this over with my own trainer and she personally thinks I should make a written complaint to the company due to my concerns, I am reluctant to do this but as she said puppies are the most vulnerable group for training and there are issues.

Please do write a letter, I would explain in detail what you were not happy with, and that you'd like your money back. In full.

1) Trainer was one of the staff, all of 20 yrs old, has only owned a dog 6 months, has no qualifications or experience at all.

Don't think all young trainers are inexperienced. Some of them have gone to special schools to become trainers, based on what your saying in the rest of this though, I'd agree with you on this particular person.

2) On arrival all pups are expected to go in an x-pen to 'socialise'. As you can imagine this pen is tiny and pups have no room to get away from one another if needs be. First week there was only a chihuahua so I let Merlin go in. Second week there was a very big and bouncy lab pup (utterly gorgeous :wink: ) He pretty much filled the pen by himself, Merlin was completely happy with him as he 'gets' labs, but another pup could be intimidated and scared. Not a good thing for socialisation.

While socialization is important, they need room. When I was employed by a big box store, I used I think 6 x-pens all combined to give them room. If they are properly supervised by trained staff this is good, otherwise run, screaming and flailing your arms.

3) When trainer discovered Merlin did not pull on the lead, he wanted to set him up in a situation that would cause him to pull so he could show me how to correct it. I politely refused.

This right there screams run and get your money back at me. You ALWAYS set up a dog to succeed, not to fail.


4) First 1hr+ session was entirely devoted to recall training! Not only was it monotonous for owners, but incredibly tiring for the pups. I again withdrew Merlin when I felt he was getting too tired from the exercises. (By this point I was getting a little unpopular :wink: )

I agree that recall training is important, but the first thing any training class should do is teach you how to get and keep your puppy attention. Most of the first class should have been spent with the trainer talking, not actually doing anything. By the end of one of my first classes, my throat is sore, and I'm tired of talking. The only thing people learn is how to start their marker training(load the clicker) and the 'watch me' command. That's it with the dog.

5) The sessions were far too long, expected too much, didn't take account of the pups' ages and didn't allow breaks for rest.

1 hour is the max a lesson should be, with lots of breaks that the dogs don't actually do anything. This is a great time for the trainer to explain things while the dogs have a 'brain break'

6) I was told there would be clicker training. I brought my clicker and have be using it from the start. On the second session the 'trainer' appeared and asked me how I used the clicker. A bit stunned, I explained, he stated;
"That's not how I use it. My dog sits when I click it."
So he used it as a command, rather than a reinforcement marker :? What a waste of a clicker. He then wanted to try it on a rottie pup. I loaned him my spare clicker and off he went. I listened to him for a while, after 2 or 3 minutes he returned and gave it back.
"Didn't work." He stated - no of course not he hadn't primed it or anything!

This guy sounds like a frekin moron

7) A serious concern was that the shop is open at all times during the lessons and pups are loose in the store. I did not know this at the start and thought the shop would be shut (The lessons are 6.30pm). The lab pup nearly escaped out the doors and into the busy car park!

You can't really expect them to close a business for the small amount of money they make from dog training(insurance eats up 90% of what you pay them) but there should be a seperate area that gets enclosed so the dogs can't get away.

8) Pups are forced to progress too fast. I feel partially responsible as I have done some pre-training with Merlin so he looks good, especially at hide and seek recalls. The trainer then moved dogs onto hide-and-seek with distractions, fine for Merlin, but the rottie pup hadn't mastered a basic recall so this was of course a failure. Pups were effectively being set up to fail through inexperience.

One of the first things I tell people in class, is don't compare your dog to any other dog. Each dog is an individual and progresses at it's own rate. This guy is why there should be licensing requirements for dog trainers.


9) By the second session owners were asking me how to train their dogs because I appeared more knowledgeable than the trainer, particularly when it came to the clicker!

Offer to teach a class for 10 bucks a week ;)

10) Sadly pups with behavioral issues where being brought to the classes and serious damage could be caused by the inexperienced and ignorant handling they were receiving.

Behavior modification is best done seperatly and by someone specifically trained to do it. I had to take special courses and study a lot longer on behavior modification than I did on basic obedience training. This guy is in for a rude awakening. he is going to get bit, bad.

So do I complain?

Unquestionably and emphatically YES!!!!!

Certainly I advise pup owners to AVOID these classes, please, they are really no good for training. An experienced owner might find them useful for socialisation if you are prepared to stand up for your pup and refuse to do exercises that don't feel right, but then again you could just as easily take your pup to the shop during the day and not pay the class fee.

I am really disheartened as this is a big brand and lots of new pup owners will be lured into taking the classes.


Unfortunately lots of dogs will be lured into this class. Trainers are expected to spend most of their time on the floor selling selling selling. They know quite a few tricks to get people to sign up. By all means tell every person you see with a puppy to avoid them, tell them why though otherwise it just sounds like you don't like the person/store.

Please, write a letter but let me point out a few things for and against your arguments.
 
Cran did puppy class at Petsmart- with a good trainer.
Callie and Happy did basic obedience classes with a different trainer.
For all three, marker and attention were the only topics in the first class.
I can't believe how poorly informed the trainer is :mad: and can only echo everyone else; Complain in writing, Get your money back and definitely Get Merlin's pic down. The store had nothing to do with his performance- that is all your hard work :yes:
 
Thank you all for your replies and advice, especially Melissa and Herd4fun for looking at each point I made and giving their own thoughts.

I am going to write a letter to head office with all the points I made to you and also someone suggested I write to the APDT and I might also try the RSPCA as surely someone must care about the training these pups are getting?

I personally believe that all trainers and training centres should be licensed, trainers should have to earn specific qualifications before they can teach. There should also be a body you can complain to if you believe there is a problem with the teaching. So many issues begin with poor puppy training:no:

I should just add that I belong to a superb training club with excellent pup classes and I *only* did the store classes as a bit of extra socialising, not for the training. I am also attending the vets' puppy party which is really good too.

This experience has made me realise how lucky I am to have such a great trainer at my club.:yes:
 
What a dreadful experience, luckily you seemed to be informed so you could make your own decisions what you and Merlin would do. I am afraid that if I was put into that situation I wouldn't be as, experienced, to see the warning signs! I am looking into puppy training schools in the area, is there any specific questions or things I should look for in a puppy kindergarten class? :confused2: There are a couple independently owned ones, as well as a PetSmart close by. Or if anyone is from Southern Ontario and has recommendations that would be wonderful as well!
 
One of the big things I'd recommend doing in looking for classes.... Ask to go and watch one of the classes you intend to take. You can learn a lot about the trainer, their methods, typical class size, how they handle the people and dogs in class, how the class is managed, and how they handle any issues brought to them. A good trainer will understand why it is important to make sure the class you are interested in attending is a good fit for you and your dog.
You want to look for a knowledgeable trainer who keeps the class down to a manageable number of dogs, handles working with a variety of dogs successfully, seems to understand each dog progresses at a different rate, and each dog learns differently, is able to help owners resolve problems, handles the class in a SAFE manner, is teaching class appropriate level obedience, and uses positive training methods. Whether they use shaping/clicker training is strictly up to personal preference.
 
Man with all the classes Mr Merlin sure is the pup about town. He will forget what home and Cadbury look like
Lol, yes I may have gone a tiny bit crazy with all the classes!:lol: Mind you we are on holiday at the moment as my trainer has gone on holiday to the Isle of Skye with 9 dogs!!!

As for picking a class, I agree with Hopeshelties, always view first and if you feel uncomfortable about something don't do it. Classes should be small in size, pups should be spaced out when training so they aren't overwhelmed with distractions and all training should be positive based (ie, dogs should be lured and rewarded into doing something, not forced into it).

The trainer should also be someone you can get on with, who is easy to talk with and discuss problems and gives one-on-one time during the course to each pup.

Ideally, I prefer classes that start all the pups together, rather than ones which have a rolling door policy and allow pups to join at any stage. The latter are problematic as each time a new pup starts you have to go over everything again and it can be disruptive, also everyone is at very different levels.

Hope that helps.
 
I am horrified that *the store* are offering puppy training classes like this. :mad: Fortunatly you are experienced and knew it was sub standard (to say the least) but first time owners would not have. I certainly agree with everyone else, complain in the strongest terms to head office. Would it be possible for either yourself or someone you know to visit 'incognito' and without a puppy after a month or so and see whether anything has changed. If not, maybe an expose in one of the dog magazines would probably make them brush up their act. I think it is disgusting that they are taking money and offering training which at best is ineffective and at worst, potentially very harmful!:mad::mad:
 
Julia, I like the undercover idea and easy enough to achieve as the store is open during class times. I'll start with the letter, but I am thinking if nothing changes asking my Dogs Monthly editor if she would be interested in a feature. Of course, I'll never be able to shop there again!
 
Julia, I like the undercover idea and easy enough to achieve as the store is open during class times. I'll start with the letter, but I am thinking if nothing changes asking my Dogs Monthly editor if she would be interested in a feature. Of course, I'll never be able to shop there again!

LOL....seems like they messed with the wrong girl :lol:
 
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