Westminster Agility

I really disliked the selection process for the final. There were a few really nice dogs in the final, but the majority of the class was just below average. I compete mostly in Tennessee and the percentage of quality dogs being run is much higher than the percentage that was allowed to make it through at westminster. I don't think the way they did it allowed for the best dogs to be displayed. In most areas, you will find more quality dogs than what the selection process allowed to be shown. I was also disappointed to see my sport represented so poorly. Again, there were a few great dogs, but the rest made agility look foolish. I want to see us agility competitors well represented, and the way it was done did not allow that to happen.
We were discussing it at the agility seminar today, and no one was really happy with it. Besides that, the course was not an international style course. Back side of jumps are a common occurence on akc excellent/masters courses now, and the majority of these handlers were not prepared to handle this. If you are going to be in a final for a championship, you should be capable of handling common sequences seen. I don't mean a person has to be able to q every time. People and dogs make mistakes, but there were a lot of really sad mistakes that probably wouldn't have been made had more competent dogs been allowed to move on. It also dumbed it down for some of the other breeds and certain mutts. The dogs in the final should've moved on because they earned it (and they would have!). Not because they were given a freebie just because they had a certain breed. It also makes it seem like we have to give the mutts a spot because they certainly couldn't have made it that far on their own (sarcasm). The chips should've fallen where they landed. The 16" mutt as well as Roo! would've made it to finals on their own merits. They wouldn't have been there just because they were given a freebie. So would the Rottie, Pyr Shep, and Miniature Schnauzer. They would've easily made it into the top ten without a hand out. In the future, it would be nice if they would allow the top ten to move on based on merit.
Others at the seminar felt there needs to be more requirements to qualify. Make no mistake, there were a huge number of people trying to enter. They weren't going to be hurting for entries. Someone I know suggested they do something like require the dog to have a MACH or PACH to attend. I wouldn't mind requiring that and a certain yps at each height as a base line. There shouldn't be course trotting dogs in a final for a championship. A championship implies quality, especially when in conjunction with westminster.
Honestly, would you appreciate your sport dumbed down to make it more approachable for the public? Should people bring their ungroomed pet dogs to westminster to compete and be granted the right to go through just so we can make the public feel good? Should we add in a mutt class to be PC? No, it's westminster. When you think of it, you think of the best. It's a show with top quality, beautifully presented dogs with skilled handlers. That is not what they did for agility. They made a mockery of this 'championship' by putting mediocre dogs ahead of quality dogs with speed and skill so we can be all feel good for the public. We had a few great handlers... Patti Gagnon, Andrea Samuels, Ashley Deacon, Soshana Dos, etc, but by and large the large majority were not the best dogs there. The 8", 12", and 24" class were downright embarrassing to watch with the exception of a few dogs.
I'm sorry, but with the exception of a few, had you shown me this as a person who hadn't competed in agility yet, I wouldn't have been impressed. We don't go to middle school basketball or football games (unless they are someones own child or friend) to watch. We go to big NBA or NFL games. We want excitement, to watch the best. It's why we pay money to go see sports. It's the same thing here. What person is going to be impressed when they hear championship and come to see what they assume is our best and instead are given dogs who can't even do the course? I would be much more impressed seeing a dog like Ashley Deacon's Pyr run than some of them that trotted, or were making what felt like novice mistakes. There were classes where only 1-2 dogs even qualified. That is a sad, sad percentage. The only good thing I can say is that an impressive dog eventually did win in every height class.

I totally agree. I think there should've been a much more stringent acceptance policy. I think that perhaps it should've at least been a random draw of people who were qualified for Nationals(4 QQs and 500pts) so you know that the dogs at least would run the course and not walk up to a jump and flat out refuse it. Not everyone in Excellent/Masters belongs in it anyhow. Sometimes they just have gone to enough shows that they have just squeeked through.

And who cares if it would've been mostly borders, shelties and the like? At least it would be a good representation of what an agility competitor looks like. I'm not saying that they are the only breeds that do well, but there's a reason that so many of those breeds are the ones people get to compete with.

Also, a HUGE pet peeve! They let people stand right up on those gates during the runs! At one point they panned across the crowd before commercial and there was a little girl rushing the gate and grabbing it! No wonder half the dogs were distracted! For those of us that have competed at the Pet Expo here in Timonium, Maryland, we can attest to what it's like to compete in front of a crowd while you have little kids jumping on the gates and shaking them. We have a double gate now and even with that buffer some dogs have problems competing around the crowd. So I think they should've at least put a second gate behind that front one to keep the people back another 6-10 feet.

All that being said, I guess we'll see what they change for next year. I hope it appears to be a much more competitive event and not something that you see the crowd laughing at the whole time.
 
I probably made a face when I saw one of the mixed breed "finalists" didn't run one of the first two rounds clean (a requirement for everyone else), and another was clean but was 20 seconds over everyone else's time.

I understand they wanted a good mix of breeds to build the story around, but yes, some of them didn't need to be there. Hopefully next year they will raise the bar to be at least the level of competition at local shows.

I also think it was incredibly misleading to call it a "Masters" Championship. Yes, I guess the dogs technically were in the Masters class, but it made it look like competing at the highest levels was easy.
 
This coming from my husband who is not into dog shows; He thought the announcer was annoying, the trophy presentation was clueless, and the dogs running... he couldn't believe half of them even made to compete in the first place.
 
Hmm, we are looking for agility sport to get divided, I am sure within next few years as most sports end up doing professional elite will emerge as separate class and rest of us will join amateur level competitions.
 
I am Jane Q Public -- I have a dog. She has been through a couple classes. My school offers agility and suggested we give it a go before the next class starts, it builds confidence and team work.

I watch to be inspired. Here is what I got: 1. You either look brilliant or confused and embarrssed. 2. Event staff in this sport are unprofessional -- Greg did NOT help with "good puppy". Shatner announcing a horse event would NOT say "good horsie". The presenters are confused so I am not sure I trust them to do the math right. There is no explanation of the qualifying process or the final calculations or even this whole business about mutts now being all American dogs so I don't know, am I All-American or registered or what? AND they put an armchair RIGHT next to finish area and that can pose an issue with hyped up dog; that bugged me. 3. The floor is very slippery and MY dog (or myself) could slip and get hurt.

I didn't get an "I can be successful feeling". In fact, I kind of want to bail on class. I won't because I know it will be good for us, but I didn't find that quite as I would have expected.

They really needed a segment with how to start in the sport with a class or club, how to work up the ranks with experience, what some of the terms and scoring/faults are, how the qualifier works (The making of a champion, if you will). They really should have taken the top 10 at every level -- or if they REALLY were promoting All-American -- top 9 all-breed + top All-American for evey class. I would have rather see top competitors than see that I can do this sport with MY breed represented. I didn't have to SEE a German shepherd or sheltie do it to think I could.

I found it actually discouraging as I head into starting the sport. Eh, we will waddle and laugh.
 
I am Jane Q Public -- I have a dog. She has been through a couple classes. My school offers agility and suggested we give it a go before the next class starts, it builds confidence and team work.

I watch to be inspired. Here is what I got: 1. You either look brilliant or confused and embarrssed. 2. Event staff in this sport are unprofessional -- Greg did NOT help with "good puppy". Shatner announcing a horse event would NOT say "good horsie". The presenters are confused so I am not sure I trust them to do the math right. There is no explanation of the qualifying process or the final calculations or even this whole business about mutts now being all American dogs so I don't know, am I All-American or registered or what? AND they put an armchair RIGHT next to finish area and that can pose an issue with hyped up dog; that bugged me. 3. The floor is very slippery and MY dog (or myself) could slip and get hurt.

I didn't get an "I can be successful feeling". In fact, I kind of want to bail on class. I won't because I know it will be good for us, but I didn't find that quite as I would have expected.

They really needed a segment with how to start in the sport with a class or club, how to work up the ranks with experience, what some of the terms and scoring/faults are, how the qualifier works (The making of a champion, if you will). They really should have taken the top 10 at every level -- or if they REALLY were promoting All-American -- top 9 all-breed + top All-American for evey class. I would have rather see top competitors than see that I can do this sport with MY breed represented. I didn't have to SEE a German shepherd or sheltie do it to think I could.

I found it actually discouraging as I head into starting the sport. Eh, we will waddle and laugh.

PLEASE, PLEASE, write this up and send it to the Westminster Kennel Club. Obviously, this is the first year, and some things needed implemented better. But this kind of feedback is important.
 
I haven't had a chance to watch this yet since I was at an agility trial this weekend and was planning to watch it Tuesday morning when it was re-run on Fox Sports 1.

Anyway.... it sounds like the Purina Incredible Dog Challenge is a better representation of agility than the Westminster event was. (For the record, it was the Purina events that got me interested in the sport... and Shelties.) If Westminster really did manipulate the dogs who advanced rather than allowing the event to just happen naturally then I'm really disappointed. I was hoping for better from Westminster rather than another case of Dog Performance Sport being treated as "second class" to Confirmation.

Honestly, I was surprised when I looked at the entry and saw it was open to anyone in Excellent or Masters level. (I admit, I considered entering Edan for all of 5 min since he's in Ex Std and Masters JWW. :lol::o) I have to agree, the HopeShelties, the dogs entered should be MACH or PACH dogs so the sport is better showcased. Not everyone with a MACH or PACH is a top dog since, if you throw enough money at it, eventually you'll get lucky enough to get the qualifications BUT you have a better chance of presenting a better representation of Performance sport. Heck, the dogs in Westminster's Confirmation show are all champions, why should the requirement be there for Agility also.

I don't have an issue with the All-American dogs being included because there are some darn good mixed breed dogs competing however they should be held to the same standard as everyone else and not some feel-good PC attempt. Seeing all-american's run does spotlight that this is a sport for ALL dogs but it has to be done right to be encouraging to others.
 
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If someone will PM me with the contact email or address for feedback to WKC I would be happy to expand this and send in later today.

They have a wonderful opportunity to publicize the sport, expand registration with AKC (through PAL/ILP and All-American), and another venue to share some of the AKC sponsored goals and messages and pet charities and the like but they need to refine and professionalize this.

In addition, I think they should also add/televise obedience or rally as a future goal, personally.

I would be happy to share this. I expected to be inspired and now I am kind of bleh about trying it.
 
I have to agree, the HopeShelties, the dogs entered should be MACH or PACH dogs so the sport is better showcased.

I would vehemently disagree here. Many "top dogs" don't compete in AKC enough to bother with a MACH, or the dogs are older by the time they get around to it. The "top dogs" are doing USDAA every weekend, and wouldn't have blinked at a backside challenge.

I think if they just let people enter, do a real random draw, let the competition go as usual, and added a for-real finals round, the cream would rise to the top. It's the manipulating the finals that did this trial in. And FWIW, the finals criteria was clearly spelled out in the premium list, so everybody knew or should have known there were going to be shenanigans.
 
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