What are all the colors,in order?

Justicemom said:
Yes they can be mahogany sable merles or CHW.
The sable ,white factoring and merle are all seperate.

So in a nut shell chose one in each area.

1. Sable or Black(if black, tan points or no tan points)
2. Merle or not merle
3. Non White factored, White factored or CHW

Most Sable merles are Tri or bi factored as they result from blue to sable breedings. The black gene from the blue ,sable from the sable. So in theory they shoud be dark sables were the merling gene has not produced dilution just like the black is still black in blues. But this is not the case always. Pike is actually a tri factored white factored sable merle. He was very merled when he was born. No doubt in anyones mind that he was merle. But as he got older the merling became less obvious so that most people can't tell. Ember's brother and sister were just as obvious when they were born. They are darker over their backs then Pike as adults but the dark shaded sable just looks mottled. Below is a picture of Ember's sister.

I think they call Duncan's color red sable. You see it in some lines not a common color. I think I read in Shelties in America that the color goes back to a dog called Kim O'Page's Hill, the first sheltie seen in that color. Diva has a half brother that color.
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Thanks! Abbie is definitely quite dark, even to the point of black tips.

And Duncan is a direct descendant of Am Ch Kim O'Page's Hill and Kim's full sister Pandora O'Page's Hill as well as a slew of other mentions. Very cool to know that the coloring came all of the way down! Duncan's sable full brother is the exact shade of Duncan.

Here's a picture from back in March when we had a little Puppy Reunion with the only boys in the litter of six. Duncan on our left and his brother on our right. There was a 10 lb difference then. I can only imagine now!
http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy282/the_gallows/Random/DSC_0031.jpg
 
Sorry for taking so long to reply. Been really busy.

It does make a difference though. It is really interesting. It is something that I've been studing on. It has to do with something about there genes. Ch Shapines the Elizabethian ROM, was a cryptic blue merle that sired like a tri. One side of him was like a tri dog and on the other he was a blue merle. A gorgeous dog he was. I can't find a lot about him as he sired during 1980's.
I know lot of cryptice blues do sire as a pure blue merle. I don't if what it had something to do with the fact that he was bi-factored as well. I found a litter that he had when bred to a blue merle girl and produced a blue merle and a tri. You can find a lot about his progeny on pedigree lines. It is so amazing. And interesting. It goes back in the genes to get a blue merle that produces like this and something I feel that I'm going to do a lot more studying on in order to get the bottom of this.
 
tofu pup said:
Looking at her pictures, I'd agree with you! It's not just the amount of tan, though, it's also the color that tips it off... have a look at this collie. The color and amount of tan on her face is very typical of the breed (and remember, collies don't come in bi-black - so there's no possibility of any bi-factoring, and we can use this as a baseline). Diva's tan color is very similar: bright, clear tan. Compare it to Player's, which is much more rusty/dark.
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I have been thinking about the difference in the tan on a Tri factored Tri and a Bi factored Tri and I have a photo that shows different colors really well.

Here is Kramer and Diva. Kramer is a known bi factored Tri(his dad is bi blue) and Diva who I suspect is a tri factored Tri. With Diva time will tell but I would be hugely suprised. Look how much more red Diva's coloring is than Kramer's
http://sheltieforums.com/album.php?albumid=172&pictureid=3264
 
Eyes spinning backwards in head....

To me there are four:

- sables
- Tri's
- Merles
- Bi's.

That's it! How simple is that.?

And each one has various shades and factors and whatever. Ok, I'm a Sheltie breeder idiot! Thank goodness, I never plan to breed! :wink2::lol:
 
BarbV said:
Eyes spinning backwards in head....

To me there are four:

- sables
- Tri's
- Merles
- Bi's.

That's it! How simple is that.?

And each one has various shades and factors and whatever. Ok, I'm a Sheltie breeder idiot! Thank goodness, I never plan to breed! :wink2::lol:
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That is exactly the extent of my knowledge as well.
 
Here in Sweden this colours are correkt:
Sable (with or without white markings, with or without shade. NOT merle.)
Blue merle (with or without white markings)
Tri-colour
Black and white
Black and tan (doesn't exist any more)

White markings are blaze, collar, white on the chest/belly, socks and on the tip of the tail.
 
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