Will boycott this film! A dog's purpose

I've had an extremely emotionally trying year. There has been great loss in my life since last October. I'm an emotional bomb waiting to cry again, and can't go see a movie that has a trailer that I can't watch without bursting into tears.
 
DK, Thanks for your post as we all deserve to know the complete story from all sides. I agree with that...

However, in my mind, the video still shows a frightened dog desperate to avoid the water and struggling to get out of the situation. Once in the water the dog was clearly panicked and went under! Still not seeing the movie! Everyone must make up their minds for themselves.
 
DK, Thanks for your post as we all deserve to know the complete story from all sides. I agree with that...

However, in my mind, the video still shows a frightened dog desperate to avoid the water and struggling to get out of the situation. Once in the water the dog was clearly panicked and went under! Still not seeing the movie! Everyone must make up their minds for themselves.
I appreciate your post, ghggp, and I certainly agree that everyone is fully empowered and entitled to make their own decisions after reading all the facts...

I also hope (in fact, I even anticipate) that the filmmakers will probably release the additional footage showing how eager Hercules (the German Shepherd) was to jump into the pool on his own, to the point of having to be restrained to avoid him jumping in to early, once he was actually on the side that he'd practiced on.

Personally, I find the filmmakers' explanation that a last minute change to the opposite side caused the dog to 'get spooked' to be rational and credible, as well as the fact that dogs jumping into water 'go under' for a few seconds often, and that really isn't that big of a concern to me, if indeed the dog was eager to jump in on its own. Knowing the the tank itself was specially constructed (and this wasn't filmed in some actual, random drainage pipe), that the water was heated to a comfortable 80-85 degrees, that the water turbulence was manufactured and there actually wasn't a strong current undertow, that there was a safety ledge that the dog would swim to whenever it felt uncomfortable, that there was a diver onset to ensure no one (human OR canine) was harmed in the water; that the dog was actually NEVER compelled to jump in, and that the handler was merely trying to dip Hercules' toes in and it wasn't as terrifying as it may have seem to us..... that all adds up and it all seems perfectly credible to me.

I'm curious... do you think that if you saw all the other footage, and if it showed how eager the dog was to jump in on multiple occasions, didn't mind going under for a few min (as dogs jumping into pools frequently do--for example, on the "Big Splash" or "Air Dog Jumping" events broadcast on TV), and that the handler never forced the dog in.... would that change your mind? Or do you feel that the one shot of the trainer dipping the dogs toes into the pool while the dog is spooked is so egregiously abusive that it still wouldn't change your mind?

(Final disclosure on this post: Again, I really DO respect everyone's right to approach this film as they see fit, even if they feel a boycott is justified after reviewing all the facts... and I hope my desires to have sincere dialogue on this aren't coming across as disrespectful or abrasive in any way.)
 
DK, in answer to your questions...

No, I do not believe that you are coming across as disrespectful or abrasive!
I do believe you are looking for a sincere dialogue.

Again, I still feel if I had seen all the other footage I am inclined to stay away from this film.

I clearly understand your point about "Air Dog Jumping" events and how the dogs run willingly into the water to retrieve and sometimes go under. However, "Air Dog Jumping" events juxtaposed to the video of Hercules can not be a credible comparison. One shows a willing animal... the other clearly does not. I wonder if they felt this stunt was so common as "Air Dog Jumping" why they would have a scuba diver on set or yelled CUT to stop the sequence if they did not believe the dog might be in danger. Clearly, everyone got freaked out once the dogs head was submerged. The dog was in fear at that time and place and clearly did not want to do the stunt... no matter what happened on previous days. You have to respect what is happening at that moment.

Just my 2 cents for what it is worth!
I guess I just love animals too much and can not stand seeing them in distress.
 
Having seen the clips and read the articles about it, my view of this movie is tainted and I would not enjoy it. So I won't be seeing this film, period.

I believe dogs should be trained to do jobs they enjoy, and therefore do well. I have a number of dogs in my house who were destined to be show dogs but don't enjoy the show ring. It's stressful for them and not fun, so they're retired and enjoy the couch and their jobs as cuddlers now. And yes, I have six, so that should tell you something. I followed the same philosophy when I trained horses...find a job the horse enjoys, and if it isn't the job you want to do, find the horse a new match.

Regardless of the press giving reasons for this incident, this dog was clearly not enjoying his job and training should have ended. Ergo, the movie is tainted and I would not enjoy seeing it. That's just my opinion.
 
Regardless of the press giving reasons for this incident, this dog was clearly not enjoying his job and training should have ended.

I can appreciate that you feel the movie is tainted and respect your (and others) decision not to see it, but in the interest of keeping the facts clear:

Based on numerous reports (and based on things the footage itself doesn't even show) when the trainer saw the dog was not enjoying his job, the training WAS ended.

The footage splices together an altogether different footage from a later time, and footage of the dog ultimate performing the task from the original location he practiced it as shows the dog eagerly and excitedly jumping into the water (even "having to be held back" from jumping in on his own before the camera was ready).

I love dogs. They are my life. I would never want to see them in pain, and I am angered and horrified when animals are exploited or abused. But I also know the public shame that burns my face with embarrassment when my little sheltie girl, who I've never mistreated at all and adopted from a breeder at age 1 after she was too small for shows, cowers away in an unexpected, but naturalized fear on random occasions even when I just 'call her over' at the dog park. She cowers and turns her back and hides under objects... My ex-wife, having witnessed those scenes, spread rumors to all of our family and friends that I was abusing our dogs, and even to a breeder to whom I had submitted an application for adoption. It took me months of working one-on-one with that breeder until she realized my intense devotion and overcame her concerns about adopting out to me. So, I guess I have felt the sting of misplaced condemnation in the face of false accusations of abuse.

Given my background, then, to extrapolate less than 30 seconds of footage into an assumption that Hercules "didn't like the training" and "wasn't meant to be a trained dog" doesn't seem fair, to me. As someone who's trained even my initially shy girl and several other agility dogs myself, I've personally had many dogs who have bad/off days, moments when they ran away or cowered for some unknown reason. I may have tried to coax them or encourage them to try again for a moment or two, and then realized I needed to end the session. I would think that experience is fairly common for virtually EVERYONE who trains or works with dogs in some capacity. But, as my wife did, to prematurely allege abuse or presume that this few seconds of sensationally-edited film demonstrates this dog was abused just doesn't seem right.

To me, the director's and writer's explanations, apologies, and admissions speak for themselves... and again, to me, to mount a boycott an entire film with hundreds of hours of work put in by a cast and crew of literally hundreds of workers, many of whom admittedly and presumably are animal lovers themselves, based on the footage of less than 30 seconds of one dog which was edited to achieve a seems... excessive.

Again--I know this is just me, and I can appreciate anyone feeling that the film has already been tainted, and the only reason I'm even responding is in the hope to keep the facts straight and not promote false assumptions.

With that, I've said all that I think I need to say, and I'll probably bow out of this thread. Thanks for allowing me to share. And best wishes to all and your furkids.
 
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Thanks for your posts DKBurtonAdams. To be honest I was purposely leaving this thread unread because I was uncomfortable with the amount of attention the clip was getting. I too felt the splice and timing of release was suspicious. PETA involvement was also very suspect to me since they are against companion and working dogs.

Everyone who knows me knows I would never put my dog or any animal in danger. With that said, I trained him for service work and there have been times when a 30 second clip of me coaxing him to overcome a fear may not reflect the truth. One example is Riley's experience with those signs that are on springs so they don't blow over. It took literally hours to gently teach Riley that these signs are harmless. He had figured that out and was fine for over a year when one blustery day as I was putting groceries in the car a sign bowed forward and tapped Riley lightly on the rear end. In that second the many hours of training was resting on my next move. Resisting the urge to laugh at the irony of the stupid sign blowing just right to tap Riley's bum, I took him around the car and in an up beat happy voice tried to coax him back to the sign. He was having nothing to do with it. So I scooped him up in my arms and carried my fearful Fido to the sign and asked him to snif. If a camera had captured those seconds all the viewer would see is me carrying and obviously upset dog towards a sign. What they wouldn't see is how aware I was of Riley's frame of mind, how attentive I was to his every move so I could judge if I was pushing too hard. The final out come was that Riley sniffed the top of the sign, realized it was not alive and was put down to confidently and happily prance around the sign getting lots of treats and praise for overcoming the fear. The alternative that he would retire from service is ridiculous as he really loves his job but there was a few seconds that could have painted a very different picture. I felt it was the same with this clip - a few seconds that perhaps did not accurately reflect the whole story.Thanks for sharing the other side of this story that has gotten so much undeserved (in my opinion) publicity.
 
I should add that Riley now prances towards that sign many times per week just to get treats for showing how brave he is. He is so proud of himself for overcoming the fear that I still carry treats to show him how pleased I am that he can look forward to passing that sign rather than focusing on the few seconds of fear he once experienced.
 
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