Biting at carpet (when lying down)

I guess I don't understand why you feel he's suffering.

This is what made be believe he is suffering - from your original post:

"It will take time and he will suffer regardless (by the time the symptoms show itself, let's be real, he's already suffering)."

Sorry if I misunderstood what you meant by that. Call me confused.
 
This is a sensitive subject for me (and I'm sure a lot of people) as I had to make that difficult decision a little over a year ago.

When your dog is old, weak, in pain, they are suffering. Yes, Miko has recovered from his digestion issues, but he's still exhibiting signs of being in pain, thus, uncomfortable. Obviously he can't give us an answer according to a pain scale, but to me, if your dog is in pain, he's suffering. Sorry Cheryl :(.

edit- I keep trying to link this but I fail at life, so.. here it is.. my favorite pain scale-http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/02/boyfriend-doesnt-have-ebola-probably.html
 
This is a sensitive subject for me (and I'm sure a lot of people)...

Jess041: You are correct, I am sure that many of us have been visited by this unhappy need to make choices. Some of us have had to choose for our pets (mine was many years ago, but it is as real today as it was all those years ago), some of us have had to make painful decisions for our two legged family (for my sister and I, it has been with our parents and our brother).

@K9Kreationz: I offer only this: "take heart that you will make the right decision no matter how it feels right now, and; forget our advice once given, no matter how well meaning. Know that what we offer, we offer from our own vantage point because it is all we have. You make your decision secure in the knowledge that you decide with a pure heart.
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I guess I don't understand why you feel he's suffering. I mean, he's been dealing with the diarrhea bit and is recovering from that. I mean, if that was the norm, dear gawd yes that is suffering. But it's not the norm and he's almost back to his normal pre-diarrhea self. He's more alert, happy to be scratched and held. He follows me around or comes and finds me and lies down (his norm). Is excited for meal times. I dunno. Doesn't sound like suffering to me.

Cheryl, I believe that if a dog is happy and still has the will to live, why end it? Right now I'm picturing F-kap being in Miko's condition. No, I couldn't put him down, not right then. There's still things to try that could lessen his pain and extend his life, or if the end is growing nearer something that will take away all the pain until it's time to say goodbye. The choise is yours. Like Jeff said, it dosn't really matter what WE think, it's what YOUR comfortable with (and I know the only way you'd be comfortable with something is if it's the best thing for Miko). We don't see him everyday, we don't stay up all night caring for him, we don't know him at all compared to you. I know you'll do what's best for him. Sending prayers and happy thoughts to you, Miko, and Koji.:hugs
 
One of the things that I always admired about the vet I worked for was that he would tell a client when it was time. Most vets won't because if the client is not receptive, all hell breaks loose.
I believe your dog is at the balance point. Just because they still eat, drink and move around somewhat is not a good case for extending a life that includes probably higher pain than you or I could stand. Personally, I would take the chance on giving some form or relief and be prepared to end it immediately when the time comes BUT, that is me. The difference between human and animal suffering is that we, as caretakers, can choose to end it for our beloved pets but not for ourselves. The hardest question is when to take that drive.
I do not think you are being a terrible person, just one that isn't ready to let go. I know the feeling well as I have faced it so many times. The mistake I made with Shona, my old Belgian, I live with every day. She should have gone long before she did and she suffered terribly the day she died because I waited too long. I don't wish that guilt on anyone.
My mare is currently on a NSAID that will do her in. However, it controls her painful arthritis to the point that she now runs out to the pasture instead of shuffling. We have her at the lowest dose we can but I know it will hasten her end. The question I had to ask myself is, is it fair to ask her to live with the pain for a longer time or help her be comfortable for a shorter amount of time. I made my decision and you must make yours. In the meantime, you are both in my thoughts.
 
This is what made be believe he is suffering - from your original post:

"It will take time and he will suffer regardless (by the time the symptoms show itself, let's be real, he's already suffering)."

Sorry if I misunderstood what you meant by that. Call me confused.


I think you did misunderstand. I didn't mean he's suffering right now. I meant that if I give him NSAID's and his kidney's shut down, by the time the symptoms shows themselves, he probably had been suffering in silence for some time and I didn't know.
 
You're right I misunderstood - if he has some quality of life and is improving then I can see why you would want to have whatever time is left. Jeff is right about advice, take what you can use, discard the rest and trust your heart - you'll know when the time to let go arrives. (((hugs)))
 
My vet called. We're going to try a tiny dose of buprenorphine. He said, if that doesn't work, most likely the gaba-whatever won't work. We're also going to try SAM-e if it's cost effective, see if that does anything for his cognition and pain too. That takes longer to see effects though. So we'll see what happens with the buprenorphine. He did say though, with his age and ailments, alleviating the pain may not be possible.

We also discussed the usage of NSAID's. He felt that we shouldn't go down that route at all. Why? Because it'll do way more damage to him than help. At that point, euthanasia is more kind.

Strangely enough, this vet feels he's in the last stages of kidney failure. Whereas my last vet, still had him around a stage 3 (out of 5). Weird, but okay.

As for the other topic.....

I think what many of you have to realize is this....when Miko's bout of diarrhea wasn't clearing up, I was ready to let him go. I will never truly be ready (who really is?), but I am not holding on longer than Miko needs. So please, please, please understand that I am not keeping him here for myself. I have told him many times when he's ready to go, just go. Or let me know and I will let you go.

I'm going to tell you two things and I hope you realize that I would never hold onto someone longer than they care to be here. And hopefully, they won't stay here for me. The first....people say you can't choose when you die. I disagree. I believe you can choose to kill yourself anytime you want. Being able to do it is a different story. I will not keep anyone here, if they don't want to be here. I won't ever be angry at someone who commits suicide because for them, it was the decision they made, for whatever reason. They didn't want to live and I'm not going to take the right to die away from them.

Secondly, regardless if you believe, just hear me out. Long story really short, I went to see a medium with my mom 2 days after my dad died. She told me that my dad heard me say that it was okay for him to go, that I didn't want him to stay for me, and that he thanked me for letting go. She had no clue I said that, no one did. I never said it aloud. I didn't want him to hold on, because of us. I wanted him to be at peace and not suffer any longer.

I believe people who keep people alive, for their own benefit are selfish. If you want to die, I may not help you, but I won't stop you either. I may ask why, but otherwise, it is your life to do with as you please. Of course I will hurt and mourn, but I won't guilt them into staying. I also think people have the right to die if they are diagnosed with a terminal illness (regardless if they're still somewhat healthy). I wish we had more euthanasia laws for humans, but we don't.

Because I'm in charge of Miko's life, trust me, I would never, ever keep him here longer just so I won't hurt.

I hope you see where I'm coming from and why I find it offensive that many of you feel I'm keeping him here for myself. I also don't believe being in pain means suffering. It's right up there with putting down racehorses because they're injured. It all just depends on the circumstances. I wish I knew how much pain he was in....none of us really knows. And none of us really knows if he's fine with it or not.
 
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I think if he's still interested in food/eating- then he's not ready to go yet.
when my dogs stopped eating, especially their cookies, well, two went to the vet and the other didn't make it that long..............
 
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