Clicker training for a sit stay.

Don't lure her. If you're properly clicker training and all ready "loaded" the clicker, you just have to wait for her to sit on her own, then click as soon as she does it. It maybe take a while, but you have to be patient. Then do it again and again. After a few times, she'll catch on and realize every time I sit, I get a treat. Once she figures that out, you can start saying the word "sit".
 
Jessica, the video you posted on teaching the sit, is a great demo of the rock sit this is not the sit you want for comp obedience. What the person is doing wrong is pushing the treat back over the dogs head that is pushing the weight back and they fall back into thge sit. You can teach it this way but you might need to reteach it later. Better way is hold the treat just in front of the nose but above the head so the dog is reaching slightly forward and up then move the treat straight up. If she still wants to rock backwards put a leash on her and step on the lead with your foot so that it is just long enough to allow her to sit but not rock back. You may need to click smaller approximations like just moving the back feet under her and then lower the rump and finally sitting. If she is luring with food in sight, hide it with your hand as the next step then just use a hand singal and then fade the hand signal. I'm not a purist with clicker training so while I do capture behavior , I will lure too.

You want to start fading lures very early in training almost as soon as the dog is getting just an idea of what you want because if you leave them in to long they start expecting them as you now are finding out. I train everything at once, stay sit, down come, etc I just work on couple minutes on everything typical training session is about 15 minutes per dog, a couple times a day in the beginning. I find smart dogs like shelties get less bored this way. Also practice or train before feeding or use the training as a meal time. When I start training a dog I never feed out of a bowl but handfeed while training. More motivation into training this way if your dog needs to work for their supper. :smile2: Less liking to stand around for 45 minutes.
 
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I have been trying to teach Fluffy sit for two weeks now. :uhoh: We do it in the morning for 5-10 minutes, and then once at night for 5-10 minutes. I will do a video tomorrow night and upload it so you can see exactly what I am doing, and then you can tell me how terrible I am. :lol:


No, I mean seriously. :uhoh:
 
Please do! Not so that we can laugh at you (no promises... but hey, I post videos of me flailing around an agility course, so no judgment here!), but maybe we can see what is happening from an outsider's perspective.
 
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Please do! Not so that we can laugh at you (no promises... but hey, I post videos of me flailing around an agility course, so no judgment here!), but maybe we can see what is happening from an outsider's perspective.
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I am waiting until tomorrow night (and when I say tomorrow night it might not be until 1 am, because I work the evening shift tomorrow!), but because I have to drag out my old camera. My new camera does not have a video feature on it. I'm going to have to find the camera cord - the one that plugs into the comptuer. Wish me luck! :lol:

Also, Fluffy is already in her crate asleep, and I am dog tired. Pun may or may not have been intended! :lol:
 
we learned good sit stay while eating meals... Che would sit stay position when I hold his food bowl, great motivator.... initially I just stand in front of him, then introduce distance, then "find it" command...
with sit try using it in everyday life- watch you pups, every time they sit on their own- click and treat, it might require spending quite a lot of time watching them and carrying clicker on key chain but it is well worth it.
I would also hand feed your pups for couple of weeks, first in static position, one piece of kibble after another, later by walking/ moving your hands- what you need to achieve is for them to pay attentions to your hands and know that good things coming out of it.
I would not worry about luring Fluff into sit, once you KNOW that she knows what you want from her and she does sit reliably to the luring verbal and hand command THEN you can start fading the lure and ask for the sit by first holding the treat at your side then by holding cookie jar then by standing at the shelf with cookie jar etc... you can only move to the next stage once you KNOW your dog understands and knows what are you asking him/ her to do...
I am also finding that Che and Sammy are different in the learning methods... for Che it takes next to nothing, he is so good at reading my body language and hand movement that I could introduce verbal command at same time with hand signal and he gets it right away and I could pretty much lure him into anything with good piece of food, with Sammy I need lots of small steps and that is where clicker is very rewarding- if she only moves her head or ear in right direction she gets rewarded, then a step, then another, sometimes you need to feed as a machine gun style for any small step in right direction, she gets it but it is much slower process...
 
Che said it, small steps but gets it right... it is great for shaping! :)
I also carry my clicker with me quite a bit, so Toffee doesn't 'know' I am training, until he hears the first click, lol
I don't use it as much in agility, (just for new stuff for 2 on 2 off positions) because in Agility I want to get independence and not him looking back at me, to get the reward, or praise, etc... I want him driving forward, hence the bait pouch and tug toys... but for tricks and obedience all clicker all the time.
 
I am uploading the video as we speak. I am hoping to get the video up before I go to work tonight. It takes FURever to upload videos to youtube! :rolleyes2:


So if I can't get it uploaded before I go to work then I will try again when I get home!
 
Justicemom said:
Jessica, the video you posted on teaching the sit, is a great demo of the rock sit this is not the sit you want for comp obedience.
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The sit for comp obed is when the hind legs are drawn forward and tucked in?

Juliet sometimes does the rock sit followed by the down slide where she lets her backside go and slides into a down. Sigh. :lol:
 
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