Diet advice

Melody is about 16" tall, bigger girl. Came to me in Aug. at 39 pounds. We eat TOTW bison. We eat 3 times a day because the shepherd is really really prone to the grumbly tummy possible bloat and smaller meals are better. I gave her 1/2 what keeps my shepherd at a trim 52 pounds. Dropped Melli to 34 pounds over a couple months.

BUT! She became this monster, trying to take Shay's food, having to be fed in the bathroom but when she exits I have to put him in a stay UP on the couch where she can't kill him. I believe she blames him for her being hungry. Well, she blames him for everything from hunger to gunshots, poor fella. Rest of the time she gets along with him fine. She's back up to 37 pounds.

My question is how can I reduce her food without her killing and eating us in our sleep? I realize that she is currently eating about 150 pieces of food per meal. I am going to try actually reducing by 1 piece per meal per day and se if she can adapt that slowy. Counting is not THAT hard to do if you prepare 2 days' worth at a time.

Any other ideas? She WILL eat anything. Carrots, celery, onions, ice, crackers, pretzels, bread, bananas, anything that hits the floor so I imagine I can throw some carrots in and give her more to crunch per meal?

Note: Please be careful feeding onions. They are not good for dogs and even worse for cats.
 
Thank you Mally's Mom. That list was more of what has fallen on the floor and been pinched rather than the intentional feed list. Apparently in her former home she learned more so that most dogs that standing under the cook is a good thing. She's got good "leave it" but even quicker eat/swallow! Not sure I have ever had one SO underfoot during cooking. I even placed our stay rug in the middle of the kitchen to put her on while I cook. That helps tremendously.

Right now we are going with green beans and carrots in our meal and she is definitely tolerating that well and seems less violently famished.
 
I just posted about this on your other thread:biggrin2:

I reduce Cadbury's food by two thirds, then bulk him up with a variety of vegetables. I buy frozen broccoli, cauliflower, sliced carrots, diced swede and green beans. I am very generous with them and fill his bowl with veg so he feels very full. I avoid potatoes as they are full of carbs.

I also buy fresh carrots, apples and bananas as bedtime treats for him. He likes a slice of melon too.

Now he has lost 2kilos I am giving him a bedtime biscuit instead of fruit.

Cadbury is like your shepherd and gets sick if he gets too hungry, so I have to make sure he has a full tummy. He has done really well on veg and in fact Merlin now finishes his food first and tries to steal some of Cadbury's!:lol:
 
Thanks all! Miss Melli Belly Boo has gone from 37 pounds and change down to 36.2 today. About a pound since I started the thread/veges.

She hasn't killed us yet but there is definitely a feeding frenzy involving a down-stay on her rug in the kitchen while I prepare meals and feeding separately in the bathroom just protect us all from fang and claw.

Her blood work was fine in August when we adopted her, but she just wants to eat a lot. I know she was 38 in animal control and free fed at the no-kill where she gained a pound in the week before I got her so she was 39 when she arrived.

It might be nice to see her actually trim and moving like a sheltie should! Will get her into dog sports when that happens.
 
Have you thought about putting her dried food in an activity ball or even scattering it in the garden, so she has to work to get it? Might help her burn some of that energy and keep her busy longer? Sometimes I think if they eat too fast they don't really feel full and want more, like people.
 
Melli is a puritan. She does not believe in playing. Sad huh? She actually gets mad if the other dog plays and there is not a single toy she will touch (worked to my advantage big time during distraction training at school though). Dog school tried having me do treats in a sock for fetch training. She pawed at it and walked away. Wouldn't even pick it up. We just watched others when they were doing play rewarding and fetch practice. She will never ever master a "get/bring" command. Sad, very, very, sad.

She is perfectly good with eating 3 meals. She just wants twice as much as she should get. The veges are fakng her out pretty well though.
 
Melli is a puritan. She does not believe in playing. Sad huh? She actually gets mad if the other dog plays and there is not a single toy she will touch (worked to my advantage big time during distraction training at school though). Dog school tried having me do treats in a sock for fetch training. She pawed at it and walked away. Wouldn't even pick it up. We just watched others when they were doing play rewarding and fetch practice. She will never ever master a "get/bring" command. Sad, very, very, sad.

She is perfectly good with eating 3 meals. She just wants twice as much as she should get. The veges are fakng her out pretty well though.

Bentley doesn't play with toys either, nor will he fetch anything, even if it's covered in food/full of food.

But, interactive food toys are not really toys--they are just a container full of food that HE WANTS. So while we say he's "playing" with his Kong Wobbler, honestly in his mind he's just trying to get the food out. I think it would be worth a try.
 
...She actually gets mad if the other dog plays and there is not a single toy she will touch (worked to my advantage big time during distraction training at school though)...

I got a little lost with this comment, mostly because I am not sure what "distraction training" is. By "distraction training", are you trying to use food or a toy to distract your dog from unwanted behavior in order to reinforce the behavior you want (ie an effort to distract him from biting or jumping)? Or, are you using food/toys to try to distract the dog so that you can work on his focus and reinforce maintaining a behavior you want like a sit/stay? Exactly what is "distraction training".
 
I got a little lost with this comment, mostly because I am not sure what "distraction training" is. By "distraction training", are you trying to use food or a toy to distract your dog from unwanted behavior in order to reinforce the behavior you want (ie an effort to distract him from biting or jumping)? Or, are you using food/toys to try to distract the dog so that you can work on his focus and reinforce maintaining a behavior you want like a sit/stay? Exactly what is "distraction training".

It's the latter - you want your dog to come, or sit, or whatever you tell it to do no matter what else is going on out there. That is especially important for recalls - my dog always comes when I call her indoors, outdoors she comes if we're walking alone in the park but she no longer comes if the neighbours show up or another dog - so we have a lot more work to do on distractions!
 
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