Higher Protein = More Energy?

I mostly learned about the b vitamins being in horses. They sell energy formula supplements made with b vitamins. Also, if you look at a bottle of 5 hour energy, other than caffeine, the other ingredients are high levels of b vitamins.
I did do a search of all of the most common premium dog food brands for phosphorous levels (only looking at adult formulas, no puppy or senior, no low cal/low fat). The highest were EVO turkey and chicken small bites (1.57) and Orijen regional red (1.4-1.6). The lowest were Earthborn adult vantage (.8), Wellness Super5 chicken (.8), and Wellness whitefish and sweet potato (.74).
 
HopeShelties said:
I've been told by a friend with a dog in kidney failure who has been doing a lot of research that certain sources are pointing to it being too much phosphorous in the dog food that seems to be creating kidney issues...
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Phosphorus is what makes the dog actually feel sick. So dogs on a natural kidney diet (not the SD/Purina diets) don't get bones and other high phosphorus foods, but the protein levels are kept about the same.

I took one of my dogs in because he refused to eat a chicken bone. My vet concurred, and pulled his kidney values, which were fine, he was just being stupid.
 
Not a lot of websites have detailed nutrient analysis, but I was able to find info on Canidae and Natura brands.

Evo Red Meat Small Bites
Vitamin B1 (Thiamine) 4.29 mg/kg
Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin) 9.67 mg/kg
Vitamin B3 (Niacin) 63 mg/kg
Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) 17 mg/kg
Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine) 4.53 mg/kg
Vitamin B12 (Cyanocobalamin) 69 ug/kg

California Natural Lamb and Rice
Vitamin B1 (Thiamine) 4.29 mg/kg
Vitamin B3 (Niacin) 63 mg/kg
Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) 17 mg/kg
Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine) 4.53 mg/kg
Vitamin B12 (Cyanocobalamin) 69 ug/kg

Canidae Beef & Fish
Thiamine (B1) 40 mg/kg
Riboflavin (B2) 8.0 mg/kg
Niacin (B3) 66 mg/kg
Pantothenic Acid (B5) 25.0 mg/kg
Pyridoxine (B6) 13.0 mg/kg
B12 0.14 mg/kg (14 ug/kg)

This is Acana Ranchlands:
Vitamin B1 (thiamine) 50 mg/kg
Vitamin B2 (riboflavin) 53 mg/kg
Vitamin B3 (niacin) 350 mg/kg
Vitamin B5 (pan.acid) 66 mg/kg
Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) 43 mg/kg
Vitamin B12 (cyanocobalamin) 590 ug/kg

Compared to these brands, Acana's vitamin B's are A LOT more than Canidae, Evo and California Natura. I'm curious to see what TOTW's analysis is. I hope they respond back to me and release that information.

It appears that Bailey (who already has high vitamin B nutrients) may be responding negatively to the high content of vitamin B supplements in Acana.
 
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take4roll10 said:
Not a lot of websites have detailed nutrient analysis, but I was able to find info on Canidae and Natura brands.

Evo Red Meat Small Bites
Vitamin B1 (Thiamine) 4.29 mg/kg
Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin) 9.67 mg/kg
Vitamin B3 (Niacin) 63 mg/kg
Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) 17 mg/kg
Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine) 4.53 mg/kg
Vitamin B12 (Cyanocobalamin) 69 ug/kg

California Natural Lamb and Rice
Vitamin B1 (Thiamine) 4.29 mg/kg
Vitamin B3 (Niacin) 63 mg/kg
Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) 17 mg/kg
Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine) 4.53 mg/kg
Vitamin B12 (Cyanocobalamin) 69 ug/kg

Canidae Beef & Fish
Thiamine (B1) 40 mg/kg
Riboflavin (B2) 8.0 mg/kg
Niacin (B3) 66 mg/kg
Pantothenic Acid (B5) 25.0 mg/kg
Pyridoxine (B6) 13.0 mg/kg
B12 0.14 mg/kg (14 ug/kg)

This is Acana Ranchlands:
Vitamin B1 (thiamine) 50 mg/kg
Vitamin B2 (riboflavin) 53 mg/kg
Vitamin B3 (niacin) 350 mg/kg
Vitamin B5 (pan.acid) 66 mg/kg
Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) 43 mg/kg
Vitamin B12 (cyanocobalamin) 590 ug/kg

Compared to these brands, Acana's vitamin B's are A LOT more than Canidae, Evo and California Natura. I'm curious to see what TOTW's analysis is. I hope they respond back to me and release that information.

It appears that Bailey (who already has high vitamin B nutrients) may be responding negatively to the high content of vitamin B supplements in Acana.
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Interesting! How do you know that Bailey has high vitamin B nutrients? Do you give her supplements?
 
OntarioSheltie said:
Interesting! How do you know that Bailey has high vitamin B nutrients? Do you give her supplements?
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She had a nutrient blood test done last year when she had a gastrointestinal virus. The vet was trying to figure out why she was still sick. The blood test was done on 12 hour fasting. Everything came back normal except her vitamin B was high. The vet actually told me to stop giving her supplements. I didn't listen and still give her vibrant pets because B vitamins are water soluble. Overdosing won't harm any organs, but of course it will give them more energy. I wonder if this is why Bailey is a more hyper and reactive sheltie.
 
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take4roll10 said:
She had a nutrient blood test done last year when she had a gastrointestinal virus. The vet was trying to figure out why she was still sick. The blood test was done on 12 hour fasting. Everything came back normal except her vitamin B was high. The vet actually told me to stop giving her supplements. I didn't listen and still give her vibrant pets because B vitamins are water soluble. Overdosing won't harm any organs, but of course it will give them more energy. I wonder if this is why Bailey is a more hyper and reactive sheltie.
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Ah, I see. Interesting!

Just to be clear, I'm just asking because I'm curious, not criticizing.

This is a very interesting topic. I know the trainer I go to believes that some dogs on high protein diets can have behavioural problems.
 
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