Just When Things are Going really welll......(another long rant)

I could be totally wrong on this theory, but the more I read the more I go hmmmmm....you say she can hear the crazy dogs from you home? And she only reacts to them? She can meet any other dog and be ok, as long as they arent crazy trying to go after her??? Is that correct? IF it is, im thinking she picking up on the 2 crazy dogs and trying to protect you from them although its mis-guided...In her mind shes protecting her sheep ie you.

But thats just my two cents...could be wrong...but glad to hear shes behaving better. Your doing a good job working with her!!
 
I am so sorry to hear that your previous training with Ellie (the very first one) did not go well! It could benefit you greatly to find a club near you that is reasonable and has the environment you are looking for. You can even watch a class ahead of time. If they don't allow you to do that, I would personally balk at using them.

I think that one-on-one training is what has given my dogs and me such strong bonds. Abbie is the new lady and the first one my DH is the main trainer of and she definitely is a daddy's girl while the boys tend to lean to me. It works out because I don't have any lap space left over. :lol:
 
I am hestitant about obedience classes only because our first one was such a negative experience. In our first one, Ellie was 6 and a half months old and already knew how to do all the stuff we worked on. There were several VERY aggresive dogs in that class and that is where Ellie learned to bark (I am totally serious) and she also got tired of getting growled and snapped at and started to get defensive back. The last day of class Ellie got bit and so did I by the same dog. It was a sneak attack. The owner never said one word to us! She SAW the dog bite us! I was furious!
What a bad experience, no wonder you are concerned about classes.:no: I went through two previous clubs before finding the training club I really liked. First club the trainer was obnoxious! Second the trainer was good but the class was waaaay too over-crowded and noisy and Cadbury just could not concentrate. Then I found this club which I love and have been there over a year now. So keep looking and keep trying, you never the right club might be just around the corner.

And I am very glad things have calmed down with Ellie. Good girl Ellie.
 
This is me, I wish I could just get someone to sit down with me and show me how to train MMM. I am not much of a "class person" (too nervous and good lord too clumsy). I have a lot of things I want to teach MMM but I don't know how and I think I confuse him.

Too bad I am not in Texas, Lahree, we could figure all of this out together.

Same here,anything remotely pertaining to training,agility etc is so far from us.
Schedules just don't jive here,as Brian only gets 2 weekends a month,and I know I cannot drive to Charlotte or Columbia myself.
 
I could be totally wrong on this theory, but the more I read the more I go hmmmmm....you say she can hear the crazy dogs from you home? And she only reacts to them? She can meet any other dog and be ok, as long as they arent crazy trying to go after her??? Is that correct? IF it is, im thinking she picking up on the 2 crazy dogs and trying to protect you from them although its mis-guided...In her mind shes protecting her sheep ie you.

But thats just my two cents...could be wrong...but glad to hear shes behaving better. Your doing a good job working with her!!

That is 100% accurate except for being able to hear the crazy dogs from home. She can hear the crazy dogs on our walk when they are barking and charging their fence when something/someone goes by ther yard. She only reacts to dogs that react to her and for awhile she was trying very hard to ignore the charing/barkng dogs.

She could very well be protecting me or think she is protecting me. It's as good as theory as any!
 
oh my word
how SAD is that experience??
I so lucked out to have found my agility trainer she is JUST my cup of tea, first thing she talked about was dog etiquette... to give all dogs space until owner gives ok, etc ... course Lab owners never listen, since I have never seen an aggressive Lab, I think they don't get dogs being snappy! :biggrin2:Sorry labgirl, LOL

Agree what a sad experience. I must say I had one class like that with Justice. I was new to the school and there were several aggressive dogs and the instructor had no control of the class. I left and never went back. I tried out 2 other schools before I found the one I go to now.
 
yes, very sorry to hear about your first class experience- definitely check classes out before taking Ellie there. we're lucky that there are several decent trainers in our area :yes:
 
Two new threats to the walk!!

Great! Now I am not safe when I walk outside my front door. There are two new dogs that I have never seen before who live across the street who are now running to the edge of their yards and charging the fence and barking. To give you an idea how our neighborhood is laid out: The front of our house faces the backyard of the houses across the street. The houses are a big distance apart, so Ellie has never reacted too much at all to dogs (just normally) barking at her when they see us go out for a walk. In fact some of the dogs have stopped barking because they see us everyday and they have decided it's no big deal. However, today a Austrailian Shepard I have never seen before took exception to us walking on our sidewalk and charged its fence and was barking its head off. Ellie literally jumped straight up like she was on springs and then lunged and barked back. I was startled, because I have never seen that dog before and did not anticipate any kind of threat to our peace when walking eight feet down from our house, but I said in a quiet, calm tone, "Ellie, watch me." Ellie is very familiar with this command and she immediately looked up and saw that treat I was holding up and she sat staring at me. I held her gaze and talked to her quietly and calmly and soothing and told her what a good girl she was. I fed her three treats. In between the treat one and two she tried to peek around me to see the other dog. I quietly stepped whichever direction I needed to block her view and gave her the "watch me" command again. By the time she got done with treat three the AS had given up because no one was barking back, so we continued on our walk. Ellie did one over the shoulder look for the AS, but I did the "watch me" command once again and she looked up at me and got another treat. She did it while walking (I am getting better coordinated!). The rest of the walk was peacful until we came back home. This time I saw a beautiful GR that I had never seen before two doors down on our right. IT decided to make its presence known as well and we had to go through the whole "watch me" routine again. Just like the AS, because Ellie was not barking back, the GR just gave up and shut up. IT WORKED!!!!!!!!! This time I did not raise my voice and tell Ellie "NO!" "STOP!" and make her keep going. I have FINALLY learned the incredibly hard way that does not work. She IS more senstivie than I ever thought. I thought she was stubborn, but really, she is the kind of dog that is reactive to loud voices. DUH! I feel so bad! I know dogs live in the moment, so I am blessed. Hopefully she has forgiven me. Hey, Ellie, I finally got it! LOL!

I do have some questions though (you knew I would!). Because Ellie is SO smart, do you think that she will associate jumping up/barking/lunging as the pre-cursor to the "watch me" command and the treat that follows? She IS that smart. For example, she KNOWS she is not allowed to jump on the fence. So if she wants a treat from my husband she jumps on the fence. Richard then says, "Ellie Come!" to make her come inside and stop jumping on the fence. Because he wants to reward her for coming when she is called (because he could NEVER get her to come to him before), she gets a treat. Who's training who? :lol: I am afraid that Ellie is just going to start making a fuss to get the "watch me" command and a treat.

In the book "The Reactive Dog at the End of the Leash" the authors say that the ultimate goal of doing the "watch me" command when your dog sees another dog is to get the dog to a point that it will automatically look at you when it sees another dog and it will ignore the other dog in lieu of getting a treat from you. That all lunging/barking/fussing reactions will stop because it will have been conditioned to look at you because: looking at a dog = looking at mom = yummy treat! I am worried that Ellie is smart enough to connect the dots, i.e., ACT BAD = WATCH ME = TREATS. Should I just cross that bridge when I come to it or is there something I should do to ward it off ?

It's always high drama with me, aint it? LOL! :eek2:
 
I do have some questions though (you knew I would!). Because Ellie is SO smart, do you think that she will associate jumping up/barking/lunging as the pre-cursor to the "watch me" command and the treat that follows? She IS that smart. For example, she KNOWS she is not allowed to jump on the fence. So if she wants a treat from my husband she jumps on the fence. Richard then says, "Ellie Come!" to make her come inside and stop jumping on the fence. Because he wants to reward her for coming when she is called (because he could NEVER get her to come to him before), she gets a treat. Who's training who? :lol: I am afraid that Ellie is just going to start making a fuss to get the "watch me" command and a treat.

In the book "The Reactive Dog at the End of the Leash" the authors say that the ultimate goal of doing the "watch me" command when your dog sees another dog is to get the dog to a point that it will automatically look at you when it sees another dog and it will ignore the other dog in lieu of getting a treat from you. That all lunging/barking/fussing reactions will stop because it will have been conditioned to look at you because: looking at a dog = looking at mom = yummy treat! I am worried that Ellie is smart enough to connect the dots, i.e., ACT BAD = WATCH ME = TREATS. Should I just cross that bridge when I come to it or is there something I should do to ward it off ?

It's always high drama with me, aint it? LOL! :eek2:

Lahree that is great. Just think of what a great dog trainer you will be because of Ellie. :smile2:

Jazz eventually did have the reaction you wrote about. See another dog ,look at me. Because Ellie is smart I can't say she won't start to associate watch me with acting up. Be smarter then her though. Ask for a "watch me" when nothing is going on and she isn't acting up. That way she won't associate it only with misdeeds but giving you attention.:smile2:
 
Yes, I agree with Justicemom. Start asking for a "watch me" when you are just sitting around doing nothing and she may even be sleeping.
 
Back
Top