Limited Registration question

[HopeShelties]

You're lucky that your area does that well. Here, the BYBs get most of the business because they're willing to sell their pups on full registration to anyone who comes knocking, and for $300. The show breeders have a hard time competing... some of us holding onto pups for many, many months because of a lack of buyers.
We have 1 AKC sheltie club here, and it's pretty close to dying out, thanks to the attitude that club has. Nobody goes to them to find their sheltie pup. They don't pass along anyone who might either.
This just isn't a very good area to be a show breeder. I get aggravated that often my well bred pups, who's parents have been tested, and shown get passed over for BYB pups because those pups are cheaper and come on full registration, though their parents have had none of the health testing done, and there's no rhyme or reason to *WHY* the breeding was done, other than to make money.

 

[Phebe*DD]

...I get aggravated that often my well bred pups, who's parents have been tested, and shown get passed over for BYB pups because those pups are cheaper and come on full registration, though their parents have had none of the health testing done, and there's no rhyme or reason to *WHY* the breeding was done, other than to make money.

That would be frustrating, but then again, do you really want to sell your pups to people who don't care enough about the breed to educate themselves and make a responsible purchase? Many times that bargain-priced pup will cost far more in vet bills than the cost of a well-bred dog. I know that's a vast generalization, but I believe it to be accurate more often than not.

 

[Smudge]

That would be frustrating, but then again, do you really want to sell your pups to people who don't care enough about the breed to educate themselves and make a responsible purchase? Many times that bargain-priced pup will cost far more in vet bills than the cost of a well-bred dog. I know that's a vast generalization, but I believe it to be accurate more often than not.

It is true. I'm going to use a phrase my mom always says to me when telling me something that happened, "If I'm lyin' I'm dyin'!". For Smudge the bills concerning his mange have been probably $600. That includes going to other vets for different opinions. That's also not saying his mange could not come back one day in full force.

That's how much the "doggy in the window" will cost you. The doggy isn't always in the window though.

 

[HopeShelties]

No, I really don't... I just wish they'd open up their eyes, and quit treating buying a dog like everything else in life... as if you should just look for the best bargain out there with the least amount of hassle. Buying a dog is so different. It's not about finding and buying the cheapest pup available.

 

[BarbV]

A BYB is somebody who is in it only for money. So that would make them bad. That's what makes them a BYB.

Jessica,

I don't think that's entirely true. Some BYB's do it just because they love their pups and think that others would love their pup's pups. I think in many cases, they just don't think necessarily about breed standard and bettering the breed.

 

[BarbV]

It is true. I'm going to use a phrase my mom always says to me when telling me something that happened, "If I'm lyin' I'm dyin'!". For Smudge the bills concerning his mange have been probably $600. That includes going to other vets for different opinions. That's also not saying his mange could not come back one day in full force.

That's how much the "doggy in the window" will cost you. The doggy isn't always in the window though.

To play devil's advocate....their are no guarantees out there. Even champion bred pups can show up with issues. Look at my Bacca! Nothing that can't be treated, and thankfully, I've got enough income to do it.

The case for puppy mills is clear.

The case for and against BYB's is less so. Yes, many of them leverage the fact that pups are registered (we all know how easy that is to do). And yes, they may not be bred with purest intentions, but normally, at least, with love. I'm not personally in favour, but I understand, at least.

Question for the forum: I bought my dog on a non-breeding contract and the dog is registered with Canadian Kennel Club. If I then tried to breed the dog and register the pups, would they be declined from registration? That is, would my breeder have filed my contract with CKC to designate non-breeding and therefore any offspring ineligible? Sounds too simple to prevent the spread.

 

[take4roll10]

Question for the forum: I bought my dog on a non-breeding contract and the dog is registered with Canadian Kennel Club. If I then tried to breed the dog and register the pups, would they be declined from registration? That is, would my breeder have filed my contract with CKC to designate non-breeding and therefore any offspring ineligible? Sounds too simple to prevent the spread.

On the AKC form, my breeder penciled in the box that says "limited registration", which means I can't register any puppies from Bailey. So if I tried, AKC would deny them. Not that I'm breeding her or anything, but you get the point.

 

[HopeShelties]

I've not seen Canadian registration papers, but if they are like the AKC papers, there would be a limited registration box which would prevent any puppies from being registered

 

[BarbV]

Well, that's a start. If more breeders would check that box there would be less "byb" registered Shelties out there. But I'm sure that show breeders are already doing that. What about the BYB's? How do we get them to buy in?

 

[Lightplum]

Barb having registered Canadian dogs its the same as the AKC there is a box for non-breeding limited registration. Yes it does seem like a simple thing for everyone to do just check in a box...however the deal with many BYB is one they arent worried about it, and two they can sell them with full registration and they think they can get more $$$$$$ for them that way. Its a sad situation that I really dont see a near term solution to....