My Anxious Shelties - Toby and Ginny - Updates on their Progress

Meds

Just reiterating here OntarioSheltie. I left a post on the other site about there being a Canadian couponmom site. It has info on it about pet meds and other things.



Kate
 
I found a vet clinic 20 minutes from me in Lewiston NY who said they could treat Toby's anxiety. I explained my situation and the cost of medication. I also checked the rules for bringing prescription drugs over the border and don't think it should be a problem.

This is a big relief and gives me some hope, but now I need to talk to my vet about it. I wonder how that's going to go. :(

Great news! Looks like things are heading in the right direction now. I believe things will continue to get better.
I am very happy for you.
 
Just reiterating here OntarioSheltie. I left a post on the other site about there being a Canadian couponmom site. It has info on it about pet meds and other things.Kate

Thanks I looked into it but the Canadian site doesn't and I've checked other Canadian coupon sites. Drug regulations here are VERY strict, prescription drugs don't go on sale and I've never heard of there being coupons for them. Usually if a pharmacy has a sale its on specific products and excludes prescription drugs.

Actually, coupons in general aren't used nearly as often (at least in Ontario) as they are in the US. Things go on sale, but we rarely use coupons.

Sorry, not trying to be negative or looking for reasons to complain (Its a pet peeve of mine when people ask for advice then immediately find reasons as to why that advice is wrong without really listening or trying), I really am open to suggestions and will always look into what you say, if I haven't already tried it. :smile2:
 
Thanks so much for all the support everyone, I don't know what I'd do without you.

Feeling much brighter and hopeful now that I have a plan of action, I was so scared that I would have no other alternative but to give Toby back to the rescue.

I'm prepared to do whats best for Toby but not only do I hate the idea of giving him up, but I'm not sure that would be in his best interest anymore. It might do him more harm than good to put him in yet another home, plus he would need to be placed in another dog savvy family and with people willing to deal with his issues. I'd hate for stress to push his anxiety over the edge again and undo all the work I've done. It breaks my heart when he's so anxious.

Toby was a bit reactive on his walk last night, but it was less fear and more about impulse control. He was slightly startled so threw a fit. :rolleyes2:
 
Hey there Melissa,

Generally I don't talk about this, I find it embarrassing, as if I failed my dog but you have got to know that you are not alone, so here goes.

My boy Seamus, as much of a love bug as he was had separation anxiety so severe that it would shake us to our core. When we had an apartment with a sliding glass door, he would bash himself against it trying to get out. Once the glass shook so badly that I feared it would shatter.

We tried crating him but he bashed the crate with his body. We tried EVERYTHING but nothing worked. When we moved to Jersey it didn't stop either. We were exhausted by Seamus, fearful that he would really hurt himself, and a couple of times he came damn close.

No one could figure out Seamus, least of all us. So what happened was that we put shutters on all the windows here. Yes, he would try to get out of the windows also. Whenever we would leave he would spin like a top and bash up against the door, jumping in the way so that we could not leave. My husband and I reacted with exasperation. I would yell out of frustration. It was just a miserable situation.

The embarrassing part is that I feel that there was a part of him that was never sure that he wasn't going to be left, again. I wondered what kind of message I was sending him that he didn't trust that we would return.

Seamus was found by his Daddy in one of those mobile SPCA vans. His appearance was a scandal and I wrote letters to the SPCA and they cleaned up their act when the Mayor saw the letter. That was a good thing.

Seamus was perfect in every other way he just couldn't stand to be away from us. When we 'Seamus proofed' this house I felt good that he wouldn't hurt himself but it broke my heart that he never did settle down on his high anxiety. It would start when I would put on my clothes in the morning, that simple task would put him on high alert as he would wait for me to leave.

His favorite thing in the world was driving with us. That was his thing. I wish that I could have eased him more, found a way to combat the anxiety he suffered from each and every day and I hated to see him so unhappy.

I am speaking to you now, to show you that you are not alone and I really know what you are going through. Some shelties, nee dogs are prone to these attacks. Modifying your own behavior is key maybe. With Seamus, if I was going out, I would change some of my routine, tricking him into not knowing I was leaving. We would sit quietly and dash out the door at the last minute, and tho we heard him bashing the door with his body, it was less severe in duration that way. We used to hang around to make sure he quieted down and he always did quiet down.

When we got Harper Lee, as much as Seamus loved to ride with us,was as much as she hated to ride. Her first time out she would bounce off of the windows and try to bite the passing traffic through the windows, yelping in a shriek so high, it was deafening. So I had ying and yang for a very loooong time. With Harper Lee it was simple, I bought ear plugs and we tether her to the bottom of the floor. She whimpers but it is so much better for her not to see traffic at all and her anxiety is greatly reduced.

One would love to ask these gentle babies, what happened to them in their former lives before they came to live in their forever homes.

I thought about giving up Seamus also, for a minute but like you wouldn't and couldn't.

Was it all worth it to us? I would give anything in the world to have him back twirling and bashing, anything.

oooo's
Kate
 
Hey there Melissa,

Generally I don't talk about this, I find it embarrassing, as if I failed my dog but you have got to know that you are not alone, so here goes.

My boy Seamus, as much of a love bug as he was had separation anxiety so severe that it would shake us to our core. When we had an apartment with a sliding glass door, he would bash himself against it trying to get out. Once the glass shook so badly that I feared it would shatter.

We tried crating him but he bashed the crate with his body. We tried EVERYTHING but nothing worked. When we moved to Jersey it didn't stop either. We were exhausted by Seamus, fearful that he would really hurt himself, and a couple of times he came damn close.

No one could figure out Seamus, least of all us. So what happened was that we put shutters on all the windows here. Yes, he would try to get out of the windows also. Whenever we would leave he would spin like a top and bash up against the door, jumping in the way so that we could not leave. My husband and I reacted with exasperation. I would yell out of frustration. It was just a miserable situation.

The embarrassing part is that I feel that there was a part of him that was never sure that he wasn't going to be left, again. I wondered what kind of message I was sending him that he didn't trust that we would return.

Seamus was found by his Daddy in one of those mobile SPCA vans. His appearance was a scandal and I wrote letters to the SPCA and they cleaned up their act when the Mayor saw the letter. That was a good thing.

Seamus was perfect in every other way he just couldn't stand to be away from us. When we 'Seamus proofed' this house I felt good that he wouldn't hurt himself but it broke my heart that he never did settle down on his high anxiety. It would start when I would put on my clothes in the morning, that simple task would put him on high alert as he would wait for me to leave.

His favorite thing in the world was driving with us. That was his thing. I wish that I could have eased him more, found a way to combat the anxiety he suffered from each and every day and I hated to see him so unhappy.

I am speaking to you now, to show you that you are not alone and I really know what you are going through. Some shelties, nee dogs are prone to these attacks. Modifying your own behavior is key maybe. With Seamus, if I was going out, I would change some of my routine, tricking him into not knowing I was leaving. We would sit quietly and dash out the door at the last minute, and tho we heard him bashing the door with his body, it was less severe in duration that way. We used to hang around to make sure he quieted down and he always did quiet down.

When we got Harper Lee, as much as Seamus loved to ride with us,was as much as she hated to ride. Her first time out she would bounce off of the windows and try to bite the passing traffic through the windows, yelping in a shriek so high, it was deafening. So I had ying and yang for a very loooong time. With Harper Lee it was simple, I bought ear plugs and we tether her to the bottom of the floor. She whimpers but it is so much better for her not to see traffic at all and her anxiety is greatly reduced.

One would love to ask these gentle babies, what happened to them in their former lives before they came to live in their forever homes.

I thought about giving up Seamus also, for a minute but like you wouldn't and couldn't.

Was it all worth it to us? I would give anything in the world to have him back twirling and bashing, anything.

oooo's
Kate

Thank you for sharing Seamus' story with me, it brought tears to my eyes. Yes, I feel the same way about Toby. We've been through so much together and at times he's driven us all completely crazy, but I love him to death and cherish even the hard times.

Don't ever feel guilty or like you've failed him in some way, you did absolutely everything you could to give him a happy life. It was his owners in his former life that failed him, not you. You were left to pick up the pieces after Seamus's heart was broken and you did the best you could with what you had to work with. Through no fault of your own, poor Seamus was never able to completely forget what his previous owners did to him.

I don't ever expect Toby to be 'perfect,' or without anxiety, that will never happen. I've accepted that there are some situations that Toby cannot and will never be able to handle and we avoid them. I do everything in my power to make the house a happy safe place for him, even if it means relocating a few smoke detectors or getting up in the middle of the night to put a thundershirt on him and cuddle him. In general I make sure that I'm there to give him the extra reassurance that he always needs. I will never walk him in certain areas and will always have to give Toby extra space if we see one of his triggers. Some times Toby will react to certain things, its something I've accepted.

I manage him the best way I can and give him all the tools possible to keep his anxiety to a minimum, which included hours of training, socializing, desensitizing and medicating him.

His anxiety levels were so high that I felt that it was ruining the quality of his life. There is the possibility that the medication will give him a shorter life, but its a chance that I'm willing to take if it means that it will give him a much higher quality life. To me, the level that his anxiety was at earlier in the week and on the weekend was completely unacceptable through no fault of Toby's.
 
Kate & melissa

I am so sorry, i really don't know what to say except i am crying knowing what you and your babies have gone through. I can only relate to the heartbreak in wanting to do everything we can to give them a good quality of life. I an so so sorry for your pain.
Max doesn't act out, he just does nothing. He won't go out without me, play, wag his tail anything, i just thought since the medicine was natural i would try it to see if he is depressed. I just don't know wht to do!!!
 
I am so sorry, i really don't know what to say except i am crying knowing what you and your babies have gone through. I can only relate to the heartbreak in wanting to do everything we can to give them a good quality of life. I an so so sorry for your pain.
Max doesn't act out, he just does nothing. He won't go out without me, play, wag his tail anything, i just thought since the medicine was natural i would try it to see if he is depressed. I just don't know wht to do!!!

Sorry I missed your earlier post.

Its hard to say with your Max. I remember from your previous posts that he has health issues, which could be the cause of his unusual behavior, or lack there of. Next time you have him at the vets you may want to ask what he/she thinks. Personally, first I'd worry about getting his health issues under control, then worry about his behavior. It could be that when his health is better, his whole demeanor will change.

Also, how does Max act when he's around other dogs? Does he get excited? If so maybe he just misses having another dog around all the time.
 
Thx Melissa, I so appreciate the vote of confidence from you. Your stories have brought me to tears a couple of times, tears of comraderie and of frustration.

The process that you are going through with Toby is sure something to learn from and I do, every time you write. More shared is more learned.

You are a great and valued Mommy to your babies. On some level they know that. Keep up your great patience and love and know you have support from someone who has gone through it before.

Hoping for a breakthrough for you.

Thx Lynnel for your most positve statements.

Kate
 
Moderators if we are not to mention donations to help members feel free to correct my post. I would just hate to see her have to give Toby up. We all know how much you love him hang in there.

No individual is permitted to solicit funds for "personal" use, for themselves, or others, regardless of reason. If a rescue representative was trying to drum up donations directly to a rescue and in the rescue's name as an official fundraiser, then that is OK. Those donations to 501(c)(3) registered groups are tax deductible.

This however is not the case. How you choose to spend your money is your personal business, so please keep those conversations to the PM system.
 
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