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granite, I have a post of an up date in "Off Course" The stress is coming from people telling me that these are not the parents of these pups LOL


And I want to clear something up for you. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR A TRI FEMALE AND A BI-BLUE MALE TO PRODUCE SABLE PUPPIES. Physically, genetically NOT possible. Therefore, either the mother is NOT the mother, or the sire is NOT the sire. Guess which one I think? You got it. The sire is NOT the sire of ANY of those sable puppies.

LOL I dont know what to tell you guys! These ARE the parents of these puppies!!! LOL OMG!!!!! If you lock two dogs in a room, and the female gets pregnant.... who's the father?????? LOL

I guess it's a gentic miracle then! Rest easy.... I do not plan on breeding them again. I'm not stupid!
 
I would agree with Narmowen and Crestlynn. There is no way for the male you pictured to be the sire. Genetically, it is not possible. I also agree that you should have them DNA'd. I think you might be surprised by the results. At the very least, it is not very responsible to register these pups as belonging to Chopper when they clearly can not be. I have to wonder if when you try to register them that will be caught by the AKC. At the worst, if they are registered, and it is later determined by a puppy buyer who does DNA the dog that the sire listed was not the sire on record, you could get into trouble with the AKC.
People aren't telling you these things to upset you, or for the sake of argument, they are telling you this because it is *impossible*. Yes, I know you say she wasn't bred by another male, but things happen sometimes, and somewhere along the line, she's been exposed to a sable merle male. If you put her outside for any amount of time by herself, regardless of how short, she could've been gotten by a male then.
 
Deb118 said:
granite, I have a post of an up date in "Off Course" The stress is coming from people telling me that these are not the parents of these pups LOL

LOL I dont know what to tell you guys! These ARE the parents of these puppies!!! LOL OMG!!!!! If you lock two dogs in a room, and the female gets pregnant.... who's the father?????? LOL

I guess it's a gentic miracle then! Rest easy.... I do not plan on breeding them again. I'm not stupid!
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I'm guessing that the father is the father of the blue puppy. NOT the sables/double sable merles. A male either got her through a fence, or you're lying and had an intact male in the house. That, or you had a recently neutered sable merle male with her in the house.

Not a genetic miracle. Just a person who shouldn't have been breeding, IMO.
 
OK, YOU JUST CROSSED THE LINE BY CALLING ME A LIAR! You want to come look and see where the **** another dog is hiding in my house to have done this?? I'm not responding to any more of this. I know my dogs, and I know what I have said has been the truth here. I witnessed each time Chopper caught Belle, and my husband midwifed the delivery.
You ladies all have a great evening.
I think I'm going to make a fortune off of these genetic miracle puppies!!!! Yahooo!!!!!
 
Deb118 said:
OK, YOU JUST CROSSED THE LINE BY CALLING ME A LIAR! You want to come look and see where the **** another dog is hiding in my house to have done this?? I'm not responding to any more of this. I know my dogs, and I know what I have said has been the truth here. I witnessed each time Chopper caught Belle, and my husband midwifed the delivery.
You ladies all have a great evening.
I think I'm going to make a fortune off of these genetic miracle puppies!!!! Yahooo!!!!!
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Never called you a liar. Just said that the father isn't the only father.

I've seen other breeders have "wonder" puppies, and come to find out, without them knowing, they were bred through a fence. Nothing miraculous about that. Just an oblivious breeder.
 
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I'm guessing that the father is the father of the blue puppy. NOT the sables/double sable merles. A male either got her through a fence, or you're lying and had an intact male in the house. That, or you had a recently neutered sable merle male with her in the house.

Not a genetic miracle. Just a person who shouldn't have been breeding, IMO.
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Never called me a liar? What is in your statement above?
 
Deb118 said:
Never called me a liar? What is in your statement above?
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"A male either got her through a fence, or you're lying and had an intact male in the house. That, or you had a recently neutered sable merle male with her in the house."

There are three statements there, and only one said that you'd be lying if it were true. I'm guessing number 1, though, since you're adamant that only the blue got her. Another dog did, though. Probably a sable merle of some breed. Who knows anything, except that bi-blue isn't the father of the sable puppies.
 
Go ahead, sell 'em for a fortune when you have no proof they are even by who you claim... It's just as bad as the people selling Dorkies, and Golden Doodles for a fortune to unsuspecting buyers. Just hope you don't get a suspension for registering them as being by the wrong sire, especially when you've now been told that this isn't a 'genetic miracle' but an oops litter.
Call your vet and ask them about this issue if you won't at least DNA them. Quit freaking out at us for offering you the answer that science says has to be true. You can't just change the rules of genetics because you don't wish it to be so. This is not the immaculate conception.
I feel bad for the people you sell them to. It's dishonest.... especially if they're planning to breed them. The buyers will have no idea what is really behind these pups. It's possible they might not even be purebreds if something else got her, and you have no business polluting the gene pool with another breed.
There are no freak color accidents. Genetics can prove this, but you don't want to see it.
 
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And we wonder why there are so many unknowns when breeding Shelties! Makes you wonder how many othe 'breeders' out there are breeding and registering and then selling for others to breed, these 'specimens' with unknown heritage???? I guess that is why I always feel we are taking two steps forward and three steps back and never getting ahead with the diseases and disorders that affect our breed today :cry:
 
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