Question on colors

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jazzyfizzle said:
People, this says it all in a nutshell. Makes me sick, and I think we need to spread the word far and wide amongst the sheltie community.
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I agree. I've been following this, and I'm in agreement with everyone that these pups and dogs need to be DNA'd. It's not fair to the buyers or the Sheltie breed to refuse to do this. I'm going to leave it at this, because the more I read and the more I look at the pictures, the more aggravated I get. :no:
 
However, if the mother is indeed a dark sable merle instead of a tricolor, the mating with a bi-blue male would produce pups that are sable merle, double merle, bifactored sable, blue merle, and bifactored tricolor.

As Ann pointed out, its very difficult to tell everything about a dog from one photo. Ann specifically asked everyone to "play nice."

None of these posts sound nice to me. Let Deb tend to her own business.
 
granite said:
None of these posts sound nice to me. Let Deb tend to her own business.
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Is this fair to the puppy buyers? If Deb should "tend to her own business" then she shouldn't have brought this to the forum to begin with. I've been quiet until now, and I'm not being rude in anyway, so the comment that none of the posts sound nice...well, I hope you posted it at the same time that I did and it wasn't directed towards me too. We are all concerned on this. Some people are more tactful than others when posting, but the bottom line is that we're all trying to figure out how the litter turned out the way it did with the parents that she posted. Many of us are extremely dedicated to this breed and want only to educate those that truly do not know.
 
granite said:
However, if the mother is indeed a dark sable merle instead of a tricolor, the mating with a bi-blue male would produce pups that are sable merle, double merle, bifactored sable, blue merle, and bifactored tricolor.

As Ann pointed out, its very difficult to tell everything about a dog from one photo. Ann specifically asked everyone to "play nice."

None of these posts sound nice to me. Let Deb tend to her own business.
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No, we have determined that the mother CANNOT be a sable in any terms as her black face and her tan markings are on her face. You CAN tell that from the photos that she has posted of her bitch.

And Deb is NOT tending to her OWN business, this has become OUR business, when she is selling these dogs as registerable when she is polluting the pedigrees of Shelties of the future!!!

How would YOU like to spend $600 (her listing price) for a possible mixed breed....UNKNOWINGLY???
 
I agree, it is completely our business. When they were offered for sale as registered shelties, that made it every sheltie fanciers business. These genes may end up in dogs we use later down the road. The pups are being sold registered - that makes it a very real threat.
This is 100% unethical. I absolutely do not think that dog is any way, shape or form a sable.

Convenienty, there was never a response on the collie and 3 shih tzu's that were in the household.
 
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Yes, I hate to think I'd end up with them in something of mines pedigrees down the road. It's already hard enough to predict what you're going to end up with without another breed coming into play. This isn't just affecting her, it's affecting each of us as breeders.
What would happen if down the road it was discovered these pups sire was incorrect, and people had bred a litter or two out of the ones being sold now? These original pups would have their papers yanked, and then the pups they produced would, and so on. There would be a lot of money lost, and a lot of heartbreak.
It happened in the Morgan horse world recently... a whole bunch of very expensive show horses had their papers yanked because of a Saddlebred being the parent of one stud, and not an actual Morgan horse. I can only imagine how devastating that was.
Please, let's all breed responsibly. Accidents do happen, and that's fully understandable. The problem is that it's not being taken care of.
 
HopeShelties said:
Please, let's all breed responsibly. Accidents do happen, and that's fully understandable. The problem is that it's not being taken care of.
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I think this is the one statement that it all boils down to...There is alot of concern that it is not responsible breeding practice, thus inturn hurting the buyer, breed, and future breedings. This is why one should stay clear of BYB and deals done on the internet if you do not know the person personally.
 
Crystal1 said:
Deb: I do not mean to add to your stress. I have to tell you this awful thing I did when I was about 12 years old. My family had a bi-black border collie, purebred not registered, that came into heat. It was unusual then to fix your female or male, so the house was surrounded by all sorts of male dogs. My parents told us children that they didn't want any puppies and she could only go to potty when supervised. One day I came home with a friend and nobody else was home. We were curious about what sex looked like, so we let in one dog and watched them go at it. When the puppies were born, my family could not figure out how it happened and I sure didn't tell them. Is there anybody that has an extra key to your house or could someone have broke in when you weren't home?
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No and no.........
 
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