Scared new puppy

Honestly, I wouldn't worry too much about being scared to begin with. Tully was a timid little thing but became a therapy dog, loves attention and is friends with everyone - but she still has that sweet gentle, albeit high drive, nature (as long as you aren't a pigeon or roo or bunny, or a mouse).

Socialisation actually isn't about meeting as many people and dogs as you can, it's about exposing them to new things and experiences. Most breeders won't take the puppies out and about (risk of parvo) but will focus on stimulation and confidence building exercises. My boy Deska was hand reared and was at a trucking company during the day - he was uber out-going but also extremely sound sensitive.

It sounds like you are trying to take things too fast for her. Before you take the puppy into a store stand outside and let the pup watch what is going on. Let her see the activity, after all sheepdogs are observers - they watch the flock and what's going on around, unlike gundogs, for example, that race into a place without thinking. And some sheepdogs are just more observational than others, that's exactly what my Tully was like. I had a bad trainer who made all these awful suggestions to change her and shut her down, lucky I didn't damage her forever. Eventually, I learnt to watch Tully and do things her way. Sounds like you've got a sensitive girl like Tully, and possibly just as smart.

I tend to spend more time outside places with puppies than inside - schools, shops, car parks. Let her see and hear everything that is going on. Take a toy and play outside these places, and when she's confident to go into a store just go in, have a play and leave. Oh and if you can find a good, gentle puppy school that may help (prob avoid ones with lots of big boisterous dogs).

As for you visiting friends - you'll have to tell them to let her be. Many pups aren't interested, one pat and then let her just be a puppy. If they want to do something get on the floor with her and engage her in play, maybe with a squeaky toy. Most puppies are more interested with playing than having lots of treats.
 
Daisy1015 you are exactly right, it is the early development stage and widely accepted and written about. You made me realise I have no idea where the research first came from or what is meant by early socialisation tho. And Sandy you are right that socialisation is a lifelong thing, although socialisation is hard in adult dogs with a bad start.

Hopefully this isn't adding oil to the fire, but Covid lockdowns have been a really interesting exercise in socialisation. I can't speak for the behaviourists, who see the worst cases and the anxiety, but my classes are not a lot different to how they were pre Covid. A lot more inexperienced owners who need help communicating with the pups, so they could have done with early puppy school and more guidance, but the dogs themselves seem fine. Where I see a bigger issue is the young adult/adolescent dogs who were pups pre-Covid, as we seem to have a lot of reactive/yellow collar dogs atm. Not sure if that's the inexperienced owners or whether the window for learning to be around other dogs and people is actually later than we think and they missed it because they either weren't being walked or were not seeing other dogs or people when they went for walks.
 
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Caro and Daisy you are right...those are the standard time frames that behaviorists and experts have always identified as the "fear period." I'm sure that time can waffle somewhat, a few weeks or even months either way. Of course all dogs are different and individual, and environment and genetics play a role too. But in the Shelties I've had, I've found those time frames to be true. There are several periods up to age 2 where they can become more fearful and it's useful information to know what they are. So thank you for sharing that, Daisy.
 
I initially did not want to post as I did not want to scare you with my experience with a shy dog!

As many have chimed in with great advice and council, I thought I would share my experience for what it is worth.

I certainly made the mistake of rushing into all sorts of training classes with Liam when he was a pup! I got him hoping to do obedience. I had to drop out of so many classes due to trainers who did not understand fearful dogs and allowed aggressive dogs in a much too large classes!
Please go to classes and observe first. No sense bringing a fearful dog into a class that might create even more issues!

I finally found a great trainer who saw immediately how scared Liam was! The first class she said NOT to make Liam do anything, just let him observe! He was in a corner or under my chair the whole time! The trainer tried to give me confidence by saying that she had experienced shy dogs turn out to be the best in the class! They only allowed 6 dogs to a class. She was right, Liam finished top of his class!

Sometimes a Sheltie has a DNA predisposition to fear. I have had Liam for three years now and he is still fearful but gaining confidence. He may never engage with other humans. He is the most sweet and kind Sheltie!

As Trini once told me, accept him as he is. The best advice I ever got. He may not be the obedience champ I hoped for, but he is the most loyal, comforting, and sweet Sheltie I have ever had!
 
Um ok these are the standard developmental stages anywhere i have ever read ever. Just like human children and I have degrees in that. Nothing is absolute, but the point being she for her dog at the perfect time to socialize. Inmeant to encourage but now am left feeling embarrassed and like an idiot for participating. I will see if i can delete and stop posting so as not to spread “false information.”
We appreciate your input Daisy, often others have a different opinion but don’t feel that just because of this that your opinion isn’t correct either. Please don’t stop posting, we love having you here!
 
I initially did not want to post as I did not want to scare you with my experience with a shy dog!

As many have chimed in with great advice and council, I thought I would share my experience for what it is worth.

I certainly made the mistake of rushing into all sorts of training classes with Liam when he was a pup! I got him hoping to do obedience. I had to drop out of so many classes due to trainers who did not understand fearful dogs and allowed aggressive dogs in a much too large classes!
Please go to classes and observe first. No sense bringing a fearful dog into a class that might create even more issues!

I finally found a great trainer who saw immediately how scared Liam was! The first class she said NOT to make Liam do anything, just let him observe! He was in a corner or under my chair the whole time! The trainer tried to give me confidence by saying that she had experienced shy dogs turn out to be the best in the class! They only allowed 6 dogs to a class. She was right, Liam finished top of his class!

I do not have a social lifestyle. We do not have people over a lot. Our few family members are a distance away and only visit a few times a year. I am not moving into town where there is activity and noise. If more experienced Sheltie owners have dealt with this time of fear in a puppy, knowing my lifestyle, and what I am doing to socialize think there is a good chance this puppy will never come around to walking trails in town with me or going places with me without fear I do appreciate hearing this.

Sometimes a Sheltie has a DNA predisposition to fear. I have had Liam for three years now and he is still fearful but gaining confidence. He may never engage with other humans. He is the most sweet and kind Sheltie!

As Trini once told me, accept him as he is. The best advice I ever got. He may not be the obedience champ I hoped for, but he is the most loyal, comforting, and sweet Sheltie I have ever had!

Thanks for replying and being honest. I wanted honest opinions. When I contacted the breeder about what I described as "extreme" fear she did give me the option of taking her back. Like I said before I do not care if Ella is never friendly with strangers and does not want to interact with them, but I also want her comfortable to walk by them without fear. I do appreciate Daisy being honest with me saying she has never seen a Sheltie tremble and shake. My first Sheltie was very shy and never came around to anyone except us three family members, but she also did not tremble at the site of people. I appreciate everyones advice and I am really trying to socialize the best I can. It is difficult because as I stated we live the country where it is very quiet and town is a population of 4,900 people with no puppy classes and limited anything actually except Walmart. I do not plan on taking Ella to puppy classes in the foreseeable future. I believe it would simply overwhelm her. The nearest class I have been able to find is 60 miles away. My confusion comes in with many saying if I miss that 12 week timeline my chances of overcoming Ella's fear is greatly reduced. I have only had her one week and that time frame is half gone already!
 
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Inmeant to encourage but now am left feeling embarrassed and like an idiot for participating. I will see if i can delete and stop posting so as not to spread “false information.”

I am so sorry Daisy - wasn't trying to embarrass you at all! I never called it false information.

You gave your thoughts and I gave mine. We can have different points of view, agree and disagree.

You felt humiliated by me publicly, so please accept my public apology for making you feel that way. It was never my intention.
 
Thanks for replying and being honest. I wanted honest opinions. When I contacted the breeder about what I described as "extreme" fear she did give me the option of taking her back. Like I said before I do not care if Ella is never friendly with strangers and does not want to interact with them, but I also want her comfortable to walk by them without fear. I do appreciate Daisy being honest with me saying she has never seen a Sheltie tremble and shake. My first Sheltie was very shy and never came around to anyone except us three family members, but she also did not tremble at the site of people. I appreciate everyones advice and I am really trying to socialize the best I can. It is difficult because as I stated we live the country where it is very quiet and town is a population of 4,900 people with no puppy classes and limited anything actually except Walmart. I do not plan on taking Ella to puppy classes in the foreseeable future. I believe it would simply overwhelm her. The nearest class I have been able to find is 60 miles away. My confusion comes in with many saying if I miss that 12 week timeline my chances of overcoming Ella's fear is greatly reduced. I have only had her one week and that time frame is half gone already!
Shelee, don't let the often published 12 week time line dictate how you work with Ella. Socialization for a shy pup is a long progress with no absolute deadlines especially because every breed and every individual pup is different. Pushing too fast to try and meet a generalized socialization schedule can do as much harm as doing no socialization at all. Let Ella's reactions help you to set the pace. Possibly for now until Ella has had time to truly bond with you and sees you as her safety, just road walks and maybe a friend coming in who doesn't in anyway try to approach Ella is all she can handle. Right now she probably feels pretty alone facing the world...she has been with you such a short time. There is no time stamp for socialization even though obviously early socialization is a plus IF it is done within the limits of a dog's ability to handle the situations. For many Shelties socialization is a lifelong process and many never become "social butterflies" which is actually one of the things that is special about this breed...their life revolves around their own people...they don't "belong to everyone" like some of the very social breeds do. Enjoy Ella, don't feel pressured because she will read that stress in you and wonder what she has done wrong...just take each day and make it as happy and secure feeling for her as you can. Right now your biggest goal is to help Ella feel safe and secure to set a solid groundwork for working in more public situations.
Trini
 
Shelee, don't let the often published 12 week time line dictate how you work with Ella. Socialization for a shy pup is a long progress with no absolute deadlines especially because every breed and every individual pup is different. Pushing too fast to try and meet a generalized socialization schedule can do as much harm as doing no socialization at all. Let Ella's reactions help you to set the pace. Possibly for now until Ella has had time to truly bond with you and sees you as her safety, just road walks and maybe a friend coming in who doesn't in anyway try to approach Ella is all she can handle. Right now she probably feels pretty alone facing the world...she has been with you such a short time. There is no time stamp for socialization even though obviously early socialization is a plus IF it is done within the limits of a dog's ability to handle the situations. For many Shelties socialization is a lifelong process and many never become "social butterflies" which is actually one of the things that is special about this breed...their life revolves around their own people...they don't "belong to everyone" like some of the very social breeds do. Enjoy Ella, don't feel pressured because she will read that stress in you and wonder what she has done wrong...just take each day and make it as happy and secure feeling for her as you can. Right now your biggest goal is to help Ella feel safe and secure to set a solid groundwork for working in more public situations.
Trini
Outstanding advice as usual Trini!
You ARE the shy dog whisperer!
 
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