update on hope vet #3 today after mini seizures

[missjenneygirl]

Ann is right on with the Puppy Bac from Natures Farmacy. They are wonderful to deal with, and will send it out ASAP, when you explain the circumstances. I have dealt with them for years. Just google the name and you can get the phone #. They always answer right away. I think it is much more gentle and easier to digest then Espilac or Just Right. To that, I add baby rice cereal, so it sticks to their ribs, and yes, baby food chicken. Use bottled water, not chlorinated or well water, to make your gruel. Feed her every 4 hours. This will carry you through this trying time, and give her the calories and nutrition her little body needs.
We are all here for you, and you can do this with positive results.

 

[Megansmom]

I just looked it up on the Hill's web site and its definitely for kidney problems. I have no idea why the vet gave it to you. Here's the link:

http://www.hillspet.com/products/pd-canine-kd-canine-renal-health-canned.html

Maybe he/she found that dogs tend to like the taste of it and just wants to encourage her to eat?

In any case, I'd take Ann's suggestion and get some puppy formula and baby food.

Looking forward to hearing how she's doing.

Perhaps the Vet gave her a K/D diet for how mild and gentle it is on the digestive system??

I hope I am not too out of line here by asking...is it too late to take baby Hope back to the "breeder" just for a few more weeks so she can nurse from another momma dog? I am ONLY thinking about Hope when I ask this question not trying to be contentious, I promise .

 

[Ann]

Ann is right on with the Puppy Bac from Natures Farmacy. They are wonderful to deal with, and will send it out ASAP, when you explain the circumstances. I have dealt with them for years. Just google the name and you can get the phone #. They always answer right away. I think it is much more gentle and easier to digest then Espilac or Just Right. To that, I add baby rice cereal, so it sticks to their ribs, and yes, baby food chicken. Use bottled water, not chlorinated or well water, to make your gruel. Feed her every 4 hours. This will carry you through this trying time, and give her the calories and nutrition her little body needs.
We are all here for you, and you can do this with positive results.

Thanks, missjennygirl. She is right, you will get it faster if you call them rather than ordering online and I do believe they will also rush ship...you should get this as soon as possible. The Natures Farmacy phone number is 1-800-733-4981.

I don't know why the vet gave you the KD for a small puppy, perhaps because it's mild, but she needs more nutrients than are in that. I'd forgotten about adding the baby rice cereal...I learned everything I know about feeding newborn puppies from missjennygirl so she's the expert. This really would be the best feeding regimen for such a small one.

Good luck and please let us know how she does.

 

[Lightplum]

Yes the puppy bac is good! If your in a pinch until you get it you can also use PetAg Goats Milk Esbilac for Puppies its in a can already mixed. You can purchase it locally at either petsmart/petco. Also if shes dehydrated you can use some un-flavored pedialyte especially if shes having loose poo to keep her electrolytes in balance.

I would mix the goats milk/puppybac with Gerber rice cereal and mix it some chicken or beef baby food. Make sure its stage one so its just the meat no added extras. and feed her every 4-5 hours. Make sure shes in a warmer not drafty area.

 

[nykkchick]

hi, you are not out of line. and dont take this wrong either when i say it, but i have said it now like 6 times, there is no mom on the premisis, tht is one of the MAJOR problems.

i have no idea whey the would give me kidney food either. i put her on all natural holistic food, wet and dry from a health food store and she loves it. she is crashed out with jake now sleeping there feet are touching. she has had a lot of spurts of energy since i fed her the holistic food called natura they have different ones, its all natural. (the wet you could see natural turkey pieces and an it smelled good lol!)

though im really starting to wonder cuz im seeing some grey markings in her and spots on her nose, they have a blue merle 9 months on the premisis, so i wonder what are the chances that pup could be her mom. all i know is, something is very wrong, course she will be taken to the vet several more times. but i think it was a freak thing that happened, but i do have the phenbarb on hand so if i need to give it to her its here. hopefully i wont havve anymore 4am in the morning screaming from her, that was awful.

Perhaps the Vet gave her a K/D diet for how mild and gentle it is on the digestive system??

I hope I am not too out of line here by asking...is it too late to take baby Hope back to the "breeder" just for a few more weeks so she can nurse from another momma dog? I am ONLY thinking about Hope when I ask this question not trying to be contentious, I promise .

 

[labgirl]

Please, people, don't shout at me but...

I think nykkchick you need to keep the pts option at the back of your mind. Ok, none of us want to see a young pup pts, but Hope is very very sick, just from your posts it can be seen this is the case.

I have never heard of a pup so young suffering severe seizures, as someone else said they will be causing damage, but what would concern me is why are they happening? Is there an underlying reason, some deficiency caused by inadequate care of mum during pregnancy or from being put on dog food too young? Is there something genetic going on?

As bad as the seizures are, they may be just a symptom of something greater. If this is the case and pup continues to suffer you may have to consider pts.

I firmly believe life should be about quality over quantity, and however much you want to help this pup to survive, if that survival comes at the cost of a happy, healthy life then I'm not sure it is worth it.

I'm not saying this to be unkind, but just trying to prepare you for the fact you may still have to consider pts at a later date.

Bear this in mind, though I do hope that your pup gets through this and becomes a well-balanced healthy adult.

 

[Sumac3890]

I think you need to call this (breeder) and take the puppy back and report this woman.... sounds very odd to me.

 

[take4roll10]

i have no idea whey the would give me kidney food either. i put her on all natural holistic food, wet and dry from a health food store and she loves it. she is crashed out with jake now sleeping there feet are touching. she has had a lot of spurts of energy since i fed her the holistic food called natura they have different ones, its all natural.

I think you really should read this thread again. You came here for advice and you were given great suggestions by reputable breeders on the forum, yet you have ignored their feeding advice. Your puppy is way too young to be eating store bought kibble or canned food. You also need to stop changing her food. You've only had her a few days and shes all ready been on 4 different foods. Not even an adult dog can handle that many food changes in such little time.

Please read through this thread and buy the puppy formulas, baby food, rice cereal, etc that were suggested to you by breeders who know what they are doing.

 

[tofu pup]

I think you really should read this thread again. You came here for advice and you were given great suggestions by reputable breeders on the forum, yet you have ignored their feeding advice. Your puppy is way too young to be eating store bought kibble or canned food. You also need to stop changing her food. You've only had her a few days and shes all ready been on 4 different foods. Not even an adult dog can handle that many food changes in such little time.

Please read through this thread and buy the puppy formulas, baby food, rice cereal, etc that were suggested to you by breeders who know what they are doing.

Seconding this, wholeheartedly.

 

[nykkchick]

ok i did come to this forum for advice, but i dont need anyone to get nasty with me, im doing what i think is right and taking vets advice, and absorbing everything. today is the most energy i have ever seen hope have since i got her home, because i gave her the holistic food. now i am going to give her natures farmacy supplements because i do believe she does need that. i mean you guys are acting like im trying to start a fight or something. Keep in mind that 2 vets wanted to killer 2 days ago they said that she had no chance period.

all i know is that my little girl played today, and didnt wake me up howling and trembling and shaking her head or obsessivly itching. the only thing different that i did was give her a natural food. I honestly dont think she even has a seizure condition, of course im watching her and every few mins i keep looking over at her sleeping soundly to make sure she is ok and alive, and i will probably do that for months to come. but watching her alert and running, yes i mean running to me when i call her name is telling me i am doing something right here. especially when i see her barking at my tassels on my handbag when they dont play back with her. thats sure a big change from seeing her frozen in such a bad seizure with foam all hanging out of her mouth.

i have been listening in and taking in everything everyone says, but people cant get mad at me when i decide which advice i should take.

please keep in mind this is not the first pet that i have nursed back to health. this seems like a much easier solution with this pup vs what i went through with my macaw. i mean its totally amazing sitting her watching her play with my tassels on this purse, when she was so lethargic before. so i will be adding her vitams thanks to a wonderful woman i met on here willing to help me by getting me some which is truly amazing that there are wonderful amazing helpful people on here. (as much as i have helped people and now its coming back to me, i always pay it forward and highly believe in that).

the only part now is the anxiety of not having the need to wake her up every 20 mins to make sure she is ok, and the oh my god i cant wait til she grows up i want to see if these greys are gonna come out more. thats aways the anticipation that i hate, waiting for them to get older and their colors to come out. cuz this little girl will live and she will be fine.

the one thing i do want to state to everyone who read this post.. ALWAYS LISTEN TO YOUR GUT INSTINCTS! mine told me she would be alright, and i will continue to do everything in my power to make sure she is ok, and do the best for her.

i would like to find a holistic vet though, if they exist.

well ok, now i have to end this and get up from my desk because little monster is nipping kinda hard on my poor toes!

thanks again for everyones help and advice. i will keep updating with photos, and everyone feel free to add me to your fb. i will keep photos up there too!