Abbie's "pedigree"

take4roll10 said:
It's funny how sheltie's weights are so different. Bailey is only 1/2 inch taller than Duncan and she weighs 15 1/2 pounds. and she is not over weight.
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I do find it interesting the difference in weight. Ember is Baileys height and is best at 14 lbs(I always thought). I picked her up the other day and she felt like a rock. So I weighted her she is 17lbs:eek2: She does have way more muscle(the most of any of my dogs) as I've been exercising her more. I'm trying to get about a lb off her. Then we'll see. SHe didn't appear fat. Diva is also building muscle. In Feb,she was 17.5lbs and now she is 21lbs. She is only about 14". Not overweight at all. Rock solid, she feels like iron. Justice is 15" and 22.5lbs. He is lean and lightly muscle. Always has been. I can't get him to gain weight. Pike is 15.5" and 20lbs. He is built like Justice. Grizz is 15" and 26lbs. Built like a truck and still too skinny.He needs to gain 2-3lbs.
 
I would say all sheltie. My Maggie can get into that border collie stance when waiting for her ball to be thrown. She is a very pretty girl.
 
After all the discussion and more time with her, I definitely think all Sheltie as well. She is so connected to us. "Sheltie play" is too cute. I've also been perusing all of the pictures of other larger Shelties here and her shape is similar (if you can look under their fur).

Thanks for all comments and considerations!
 
I agree that some dogs just have more collie, BC or pomeranian in them.
Abigail looks like a very cute sheltie to me.
Che is def has a lot of collie like features and is large dog of 20" and 35lbs, very sturdy lean muscle built. I am somewhat worried because sometimes I can feel his ribs all too well...
anyway, when people say BYB and poor breeding, I keep wondering- have been looking at " best" bred dogs and their inbreeding in 20- 30 % high- it scares the s...t out of me.... genetics are genetics not matter fur or no fur, wonder if anyone did any significant research on how well best bred dogs fare compare to BYB regarding health- tumors and all such wonderful problems that plague " best popular" breeds
 
SheltieChe said:
I agree that some dogs just have more collie, BC or pomeranian in them.
Abigail looks like a very cute sheltie to me.
Che is def has a lot of collie like features and is large dog of 20" and 35lbs, very sturdy lean muscle built. I am somewhat worried because sometimes I can feel his ribs all too well...
anyway, when people say BYB and poor breeding, I keep wondering- have been looking at " best" bred dogs and their inbreeding in 20- 30 % high- it scares the s...t out of me.... genetics are genetics not matter fur or no fur, wonder if anyone did any significant research on how well best bred dogs fare compare to BYB regarding health- tumors and all such wonderful problems that plague " best popular" breeds
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[stands up and applauds]
 
SheltieChe said:
I agree that some dogs just have more collie, BC or pomeranian in them.
Abigail looks like a very cute sheltie to me.
Che is def has a lot of collie like features and is large dog of 20" and 35lbs, very sturdy lean muscle built. I am somewhat worried because sometimes I can feel his ribs all too well...
anyway, when people say BYB and poor breeding, I keep wondering- have been looking at " best" bred dogs and their inbreeding in 20- 30 % high- it scares the s...t out of me.... genetics are genetics not matter fur or no fur, wonder if anyone did any significant research on how well best bred dogs fare compare to BYB regarding health- tumors and all such wonderful problems that plague " best popular" breeds
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Could not have said it better myself.I'm in the stand up applauding section with Granite~
 
SheltieChe said:
I agree that some dogs just have more collie, BC or pomeranian in them.
Abigail looks like a very cute sheltie to me.
Che is def has a lot of collie like features and is large dog of 20" and 35lbs, very sturdy lean muscle built. I am somewhat worried because sometimes I can feel his ribs all too well...
anyway, when people say BYB and poor breeding, I keep wondering- have been looking at " best" bred dogs and their inbreeding in 20- 30 % high- it scares the s...t out of me.... genetics are genetics not matter fur or no fur, wonder if anyone did any significant research on how well best bred dogs fare compare to BYB regarding health- tumors and all such wonderful problems that plague " best popular" breeds
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If done correctly line breeding, with proper testing done you should have no issues, now with that said if you are tightly line breeding and there are thryoid problems etc you are increasing you odds of it popping up by 2-4 times that is why testing is important. The problem with BYB dogs are that they dont do testing on their stock, they are too lazy aka cheap to have it done it cuts down on their profits if you have to shell out for the testing. BYB dont know the back ground on their dogs. THey dont know what is in their pedigree generations back. BYB are far more dangerous than "Hobby/show" breeders. We atleast if some trait does pop up can pin point to where it came from and not re-peat the same mistakes. But I digress back to the line breeding we do it to keep certain lines, you dont want to just pick random jo-smoe dog to mate to because if you dont know how it will outcross with your dog you can end up producing some funny looking shelties....and thats not what breeding is about producing some random puppies, breeding is to improve the standard.
 
Lightplum said:
If done correctly line breeding, with proper testing done you should have no issues, now with that said if you are tightly line breeding and there are thryoid problems etc you are increasing you odds of it popping up by 2-4 times that is why testing is important. The problem with BYB dogs are that they dont do testing on their stock, they are too lazy aka cheap to have it done it cuts down on their profits if you have to shell out for the testing. BYB dont know the back ground on their dogs. THey dont know what is in their pedigree generations back. BYB are far more dangerous than "Hobby/show" breeders. We atleast if some trait does pop up can pin point to where it came from and not re-peat the same mistakes. But I digress back to the line breeding we do it to keep certain lines, you dont want to just pick random jo-smoe dog to mate to because if you dont know how it will outcross with your dog you can end up producing some funny looking shelties....and thats not what breeding is about producing some random puppies, breeding is to improve the standard.
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Linda wins. :yes: Hit the nail on the head.
 
Interesting side note:

I sat with some Icelandic Sheepdog people at the UKC shows this past weekend. Their international breed clubs "recommend" that the COI on all the dogs be less than 5%. This is REALLY hard to do in a small population, and it means people are spending huge amounts of money to get dogs from overseas that are unrelated. At some point, that won't work anymore, but I digress. With the less than 5% rule, they have no type, at all. The dogs range from 13 inches to 18 inches, the head types have much more variety than we have, some have long bodies, some short. They don't have some of the health problems seen in more popular breeds, yet. Once that COI starts to rise, they will see what is in there start to pop up. There is always something there.
 
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