Limited Registration question

I just had this conversation with Karen in Nova Scotia. She said the CKC does not have a "non-breeding" designation. That all dogs registered CKC that are sold within the States, even with the intent that they are to be companion dogs only, and not bred, come with an open registration. So, if a Canadian dog is sold to the US as a companion dog, there is no recourse or guarantee that the dog won't be shown or bred. This has been very unsettling for many Canadian breeders. UPDATE: Okay, there is now a supplemental form, in triplicate, with it's own fee schedule if you want a "non-breeding" contract also.
 
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missjenneygirl said:
I just had this conversation with Karen in Nova Scotia. She said the CKC does not have a "non-breeding" designation. That all dogs registered CKC that are sold within the States, even with the intent that they are to be companion dogs only, and not bred, come with an open registration. So, if a Canadian dog is sold to the US as a companion dog, there is no recourse or guarantee that the dog won't be shown or bred. This has been very unsettling for many Canadian breeders. UPDATE: Okay, there is now a supplemental form, in triplicate, with it's own fee schedule if you want a "non-breeding" contract also.
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Yes that would be unsettling.

Up until a few years ago, if a dog had limited registration from AKC, it couldn't be registered or get a CKC ERN number for performance events in Canada. I knew many people who did obedience and had to get their breeders to reverse(after spaying/neutering) the limited tag so they could compete there. If your breeder wouldn't reverse too bad. They now have the PEN number which is like the ILP or PAL so it is not an issue.

Why be so hard on AKC dogs but not protect your own? Strange.:(
 
Edan was sold to me on a full registration however his breeder would NOT turn over his paperwork until I was able to furnish proof of neutering him; specifically the neutering certificate from my vet.

The contract I signed specifically stated that he was to be neutered and if he wasn't within a reasonable time (as determined by the age of the dog) she would resubmit his registration to the AKC as a limited registration.

Our Finish Spitz's registration was handled the same way - the breeder would not turn over the paperwork until we could prove she was spay.

Honestly, since I had two breeders handle their dogs' paperwork in this manner, I was under the impression it was normal.
 
It seems so silly not to allow a dog with limited AKC registration to compete in performance events in Canada. That is almost asking breeders NOT to sell a dog on a limited registration. I wonder what the reasoning is behind this? I can't think of any good reasons.
 
BarbV said:
Jessica,

I don't think that's entirely true. Some BYB's do it just because they love their pups and think that others would love their pup's pups. I think in many cases, they just don't think necessarily about breed standard and bettering the breed.
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It is true. :yes: They do it for some (or a combination) of the things mentioned above - attention, greed, money, ect. If you are not trying to better the breed then what is the purpose of breeding to start with? Money? Attention? There must be a reason. Everybody thinks their dog is cute. Not everybody breeds them. So I don't think that is the reason. It might be an easy excuse for some, but not the real story.

Puppy mills are evil on a stick. :dead:
 
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Smudge said:
If you are not trying to better the breed then what is the purpose of breeding to start with? Money? Attention? There must be a reason. Everybody thinks their dog is cute. Not everybody breeds them. So I don't think that is the reason. It might be an easy excuse for some, but not the real story.
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In the time I've been on this forum there have been so rather heated arguments with people who'd come on here asking for breeding advice. When asked why they want to breed their dog "because it's cute" was frequently the reason.

Sometimes you really are dealing with naive, clueless people. Other times they are just too stubborn in their belief to give a darn about what is right and will do what they want to do anyway.

Often the best you can do is try to educate and hope for the best.
 
I am not to embarrassed to admit that when I first thought about breeding it was because I thought that shelties are cute and I could make some money off of something I loved, dogs!

I always wanted to show dogs as a child and thought like most uneducated people I could get rich off of dogs. So when I got my first sheltie I started to do research on breeding. That is when I discovered that there is so much more to breeding than just getting a male and a female and letting them mate. 10 years later and I still havent had a litter of pups yet! I am still learning, and with help from this forum and breeders, I am getting closer to my goal of having a great show dog and breeding my first litter! But I will never stop learning and trying to educate myself.
 
JessicaR said:
I am not to embarrassed to admit that when I first thought about breeding it was because I thought that shelties are cute and I could make some money off of something I loved, dogs!

I always wanted to show dogs as a child and thought like most uneducated people I could get rich off of dogs. So when I got my first sheltie I started to do research on breeding. That is when I discovered that there is so much more to breeding than just getting a male and a female and letting them mate. 10 years later and I still havent had a litter of pups yet! I am still learning, and with help from this forum and breeders, I am getting closer to my goal of having a great show dog and breeding my first litter! But I will never stop learning and trying to educate myself.
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My opinon - there is nothing wrong with breeding. We need breeders. If there were no breeders we wouldn't have shelties. I just don't like it when people:

1. Take advantage of misinformed people (like me)
2. Breed dogs they know should not be bred
3. Do it only for money or attention
4. Don't groom their shelties (brushing their fur, not allowing their fur to grow, matted shelties, shelties with bad teeth, ect.)
5. Hold off on vet care for their breeding shelties for various reasons
6. Decide that since you can't test for everything that it is ok to just not test at all
7. Do back to back breeding
8. Use a pedigree to draw in more money. Like I've seen in the local newspaper "Dog has champion in bloodline!"
9. Offer a twofer. I've seen this as well. Like buy two puppies get one free. That was in the paper. I can't believe they printed it!


There are more, but I think you get the idea. :yes:

My dogs are adorable (I'm biased :biggrin2:), but I have no business breeding them. Smudge got the old snip 'n clip several months ago. Fluffy's getting the old heave ho when she gets old enough.

I have a hard time looking at your username. My name is Jessica, and my last name starts with an R! :winkgrin:
 
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