Just When Things are Going really welll......(another long rant)

RonandJan said:
Just quickly, we are all saying the same thing, I think. I would never shake a redirected, accidental bite, but I would an aggression bite.

If I am in the way of a bite, I work immediately on something else and pretend like it didn't happen, wouldn't even look at the bite sight even if it were bleeding.

But I have to admit that when the dog that tore into me and might I add after he had tore into Cleveland, that dog had a fight on his hands. I came out with 17 stitches and the dog and I later....... had a decent relationship, but we both understood, that I was not taking any crap from him and he was not going to bother Cleve ever again.


It was the hardest thing I ever did in my life.
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I absolutely commiserate. I've never had to do anything like that. Duncan has nipped me when excited trying to herd me about, but that's about the extent. But if it were an aggression attack, you have to stop that right then and there. What if there were a child or something too near when the dog spazzed? So while others may think your reaction would be over-the-top, I commend you for putting it out there.

Lahree, I think a visit to a vet is in order. Perhaps they have hormone tests of some sort that can be done? You could discuss medicines or alternative routes to be taken. That way at least you have a concrete Plan B. No one can deny that you have given this dog everything and tried every angle. Please don't beat yourself up for this.
 
So true, different ways of saying the same thing in a nutshell...
Being 'mad' at you may just mean she was frustrated and had redirected aggression and frustration... That article is worth gold!
It's not disobedience.. which is what I was trying to say just MUCH much less eloquent... lol
 
Thank you Katherine for the article. It made a lot of sense!

I think I am going to get the book Patricia McConnell's "Feisty Fido." I have read excerpts from it and it all makes so much sense.

I think Ellie is frustrated. She is stimulated everyday by her dad and I. She goes on 2 walks a day, she gets plenty of playtime, but maybe she needs to play with other dogs off-leash. We used to take her to the dog park all the time, which she loves, but it is waaaaaaaaaaay too hot for that. I don't want her to have heat stroke and I sure don't want it either!

I thought with two prior Shelties over a period of thirty years I could handle another one. I was really, really wrong. :cry:
 
Toffee's Mom said:
So true, different ways of saying the same thing in a nutshell...
Being 'mad' at you may just mean she was frustrated and had redirected aggression and frustration... That article is worth gold!
It's not disobedience.. which is what I was trying to say just MUCH much less eloquent... lol
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LOL! :lol:
 
We all need a Sheltie Forum Dictionary of Terms!:lol:

For me,

Nipping: what a pup does when he excited and takes a treat too fast or gets at your heals in play. Can break the surface of your skin or not, but is minor, minor and yes those puppy teeth HURT!

Snapping: Redirected bite. You are brushing your pup and catch a sore spot and he snaps at your hand, or the pup says, look I am tired of all of those pissy dogs in their yards barking at me and I am going to bark and lunge and oops........I bit your knee. This can get bloody, but if the dog could speak and calm down, he would say Ooops!

Biting: I am ticked off AT YOU AND I AM GOING TO MAKE YOU SEE MY WAY in this argument and CHOMP, CHOMP, CHOMP! This is always bloody and the dog even when calm would still be ticked at you and probably flip you off.
 
Lahree said:
Thank you Katherine for the article. It made a lot of sense!

I think I am going to get the book Patricia McConnell's "Feisty Fido." I have read excerpts from it and it all makes so much sense.

I think Ellie is frustrated. She is stimulated everyday by her dad and I. She goes on 2 walks a day, she gets plenty of playtime, but maybe she needs to play with other dogs off-leash. We used to take her to the dog park all the time, which she loves, but it is waaaaaaaaaaay too hot for that. I don't want her to have heat stroke and I sure don't want it either!

I thought with two prior Shelties over a period of thirty years I could handle another one. I was really, really wrong. :cry:
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And Lahree this is what you will be able to give back to the forum in time. When one of us is struggling in the future with some pup who reminds you of Ellie, you will be able to support one of us.

I think you are doing a great job and this is where to vent your frustrations.
 
Digression:

Toffee's Mom said:
LOL
I can't imagine triple M ever daring to flip you off, hahahaah
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I think I saw the middle pad up at me the other morning when he got stuck in the bath for the second time in less than 12 hours trying to keep him clean for that picnic yesterday.

I bathed him at 9 on Friday and he dug a hole the next morning up to his shoulders at 7AM Saturday morning.

Ok, back to Lahree's thread.............
 
That is a very interesting article, that must be why Katie always got to excited on walks when we would meet particular dogs.
 
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